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Austria are something of a bogey team for us all right, a bit like Wales, they have one world class player who can (& did in the last group) make the difference in winning & losing a match. Dont think there is anyone to fear in there either though, it could well be a similar effort to this one, in that there are multiple dropped points in games with & between Serbia, Austria, Wales & ourselves. Saying all that, would be disappointed not to get to final game V Wales with at least 2nd place to play for. 

The Euros will have a bearing on the start, we saw a very sluggish performance in Kazachstan after the last one, lucky to get away with the win when we shouldn't have, and bar Sweden away, we more or less played like that for the entire campaign. I think to be fair, the players had lost belief in the manager & his system during the Euros & never really recovered from that, instead of late goals being scored in this campaign under MON, we were conceding them in that campaign under Trap, no worse example than Austria at home. We then played like the beaten dockets we were V Sweden home (once they got the equaliser, all belief drained from the team), Austria away & Germany away. 

Not sure about the mass retirements, other than the obvious.  Keane, Given , O'Shea will call it a day, the likes of Forde might as well, Whelan retiring is probably wishful thinking by his army of detractors, but he is one of the most committed players we have, be surprised if he did meself. Hoolahan may have the age profile to retire, but given his late international career, may wish to get a bit more out of it, Walters much the same to a degree, Murphy would probably call quits on it alright, he was close to doing so last year. 

Bar the lads over 32/33 (as opposed to everyone over 30) I think most of the current squad will still be about in September 16, I don't think there will be mass changes for the sake of it, and with our small playing pool, MON certainly won't want too many to retire after the Euros either. 
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Can see us lining out like

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Coleman Clark Keogh Brady
.........McCarthy
Hendrick Arter McGeady
.....Walters
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Good chance of a playoff.
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Austria are streets ahead of us to win 9 and draw 1 in a group with Russia and Sweden is some achievement. Especially going to Russia and Sweden and winning.We will never  do as good in any group ever. We will be in the mix for 2nd id say!
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Think Austrians will top group and perhaps go unbeaten
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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

One point i would like to make about playing Austria , i think it's 53 years since we last beat them , now i could be wrong but sure i read that somewhere . 


The auld boy's first Ireland game he went to in the early 60s was at home to Austria in Dalymount. I think they lost 3-2 (without googling it). They lost it anyway I think.

I'm open to correction on this

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One point i would like to make about playing Austria , i think it's 53 years since we last beat them , now i could be wrong but sure i read that somewhere . 
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Will be very like the group for 2006 world cup
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Originally posted by rolo rolo wrote:




If Serbia are on the up then its from a very low starting point indeed.

In fact, there is very little evidence to suggest that they are even on the up.

Wales and Austria I feel are underestimated by many. But they are still exactly what they say on the tin: Wales and Austria.


They are reigning u20 world champions and have a serious conveyor belt of talent coming through comparable to the players that elevated Belgium from a comparable low Base and built their current success on. As I said the behaviour of their fans has done untold damage to their fortunes.

I fully expect Serbia to step up. There is no way Belgrade will be a handy trip and I'd say when it comes around we'll be more than happy to take a draw.

Edited by Bitored - 25 Nov 2015 at 7:58pm
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Serbia will be a different animal next year lads in their own place, new campaign as well.

I hope they don't catch us cold. It'll be a tough game and none of the other teams will have it easy there imo.
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This is how I expect the games to go
Serbia v REPUBLIC OF IRELAND -  D
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND v Georgia - W
Moldova v REPUBLIC OF IRELAND W
Austria v REPUBLIC OF IRELAND  - L
 REPUBLIC OF IRELAND v Wales - W
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND v Austria - D
Georgia v REPUBLIC OF IRELAND - W
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND v Serbia - D
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND v Moldova - W
Wales v REPUBLIC OF IRELAND  -D
 
That would have us finish on 19 points which should be enough to get 2nd place at least

As you mention we will have a few retirements after Euros expect our team to look something similar to below

------- ---------Randolph------------
--Coleman--Clark------Keogh-- Kavanagh*
------------------Whelan---------------
Walters----Hendrick--McCarthy---Brady--
--------------------Long----------------

*would like to see Kavanagh given a go perhaps in the friendlies in March or as part of the extended squad  at least

i've stuck with Whelan in holding mid role  with both Hendrick and McCarthy ahead of him with both given more licence to get forward.

Would also like to see likes of Jack Byrne given a role in team. 
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I feel Serbia and Austria are in and around the same standard as Bosnia. Particularly Serbia who i personally feel are weaker then Bosnia..
Austria and Serbia bought have a few key players the wrong side of 30 i.e. I could see this being Marc Jankos last campaign with Austria. 

Wales, are the best top seeds we'd of hoped for. 4 points of Wales for us is a real target, 4 points of all those teams should be our minimum. With MON we've build a fortress at Landsdowne Road, I'd fear a trip to Belgrade a lot more then a trip to Vienna. I feel with the likes of Arter likely to come in long with McCarthy we can only improve. Walters will stick around i'd imagine, Keane and O'Shea will possibly move aside.. I'd be confident in a Clark Keogh partnership. 

Hopefully Derby make a push for the PL so Christie and Hendrick,keogh get to play at that level which only benefit them!
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Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:

There's 4 teams in that could top the group. I wouldn't be getting carried away that we'll walk it or anything like it.
If Bale stays fit he has the talent to turn game son his own.
Serbia have been hindered by outside factors, mostly their fans behaviour meaning they've lost home advantage by playing behind closed doors or points.
Austria are a strong side too.
The thing that would worry me is Austria/Wales are a similar standard to Poland right now. I'd expect Serbia to get up to that level too.
There's no doubt we are in the melting pot but people comparing this to the group Northern Ireland got are well of the mark. Wales Austria and Serbia are on the up. All the teams NI got were declining.



If Serbia are on the up then its from a very low starting point indeed.

In fact, there is very little evidence to suggest that they are even on the up.

Wales and Austria I feel are underestimated by many. But they are still exactly what they say on the tin: Wales and Austria.
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There's 4 teams in that could top the group. I wouldn't be getting carried away that we'll walk it or anything like it.
If Bale stays fit he has the talent to turn game son his own.
Serbia have been hindered by outside factors, mostly their fans behaviour meaning they've lost home advantage by playing behind closed doors or points.
Austria are a strong side too.
The thing that would worry me is Austria/Wales are a similar standard to Poland right now. I'd expect Serbia to get up to that level too.
There's no doubt we are in the melting pot but people comparing this to the group Northern Ireland got are well of the mark. Wales Austria and Serbia are on the up. All the teams NI got were declining.

Edited by Bitored - 25 Nov 2015 at 6:32pm
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I think people will underestimate the group.

It's 4 teams of similar quality battling it out for just 2 spots.
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Gonna be another cracker of a group. It'll go all the way to the last round of matches.
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Serbia look a decent team on paper but as you say with maybe 4-5 friendlies to get their house in order playing them 1st game could work out well. If we had 9 points heading to Austria anything is possible but again much like the euro campaign we should aim to beat Georgia and Moldova away, try and get something from the games away to Austria, Wales and Serbia- then at the Aviva win 4 of the 5 games. I think we could be formidable at home under O'Neil much like his Celtic team.
 
Beating Moldova and Georgia away, winning 4 of the 5 home games would give us 18points with 3 away games to try and gain a few extra points- between 3 and 6 realistically. That would see us over the line I imagine.
 
I would imagine Keane, O'Shea and Given as rolo says will be retired so big chance for Ciaran clark, marc Wilson, Richard Keogh and probably shane duffy to stake their claim. It could well be Keogh and Wilson. Randolph should be number 1 if he keeps up this form and Shane Long probably number 1 striker. Then the likes of Arter, Judge and maybe a few others to come into the squad. With young lads like coleman, brady, hendrick, McCarthy, arter and a few experienced heads in Whelan, Long, McGeady, Wilson and Hoolahan the future is very bright I feel.


Edited by Stickittotheman - 25 Nov 2015 at 6:26pm
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Don't rule Serbia out yet, a year is a long way away. No point in feeling confident against Wales either after what happened with Scotland. MON will have to learn from his mistakes after the campaign we had but i doubt he will. The likes of Whelan will still be around whom he'll have first on the team sheet.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:



I wouldn't be overly pessimistic about midfield, either. With McCarthy, Hendrick, Artur, McClean and Brady all the right side of 26, we don't have a huge amount to be worried about, provided they can keep fit and avoid injuries. Wes leaving would cause a loss of imagination, perhaps, but I think we have a few other skillful and creative players. I haven't even mentioned Darron Gibson, although obviously he has his injury troubles.



Add Judge (27) to that list, I think he'll be in the squad next campaign. Jack Byrne too will be integrated into the set-up, he turns 20 in April and if he continues his development at the current rate he'll be in and around the squad in ten months time.

As far as the group goes, we'll never have a better chance of making it to a World Cup.
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