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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cabra Hoop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2015 at 10:46am
Originally posted by Xpro Xpro wrote:

It`s always hard to compare teams from different eras. I was at the Shels-Deportivo game in Lansdowne and Wes Hoolihan was outstanding in midfield, backed up by a very organised defence.
This current Dundalk team are really good and on their day, are arguably more attractive to watch than what`s gone before. Yes, you could blame that on weaker opposition, but my dad goes way back in the LOI and he compares their passing and movement to the great Hoops sides of the 60`s, with O`Neill, Leech and Brophy in attack.
 
 
The Waterford team of the 60's/70's who won 6 leagues in 7 seasons always seemed to be unfairly overlooked in these type of debates.
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Originally posted by Xpro Xpro wrote:

It`s always hard to compare teams from different eras. I was at the Shels-Deportivo game in Lansdowne and Wes Hoolihan was outstanding in midfield, backed up by a very organised defence.
This current Dundalk team are really good and on their day, are arguably more attractive to watch than what`s gone before. Yes, you could blame that on weaker opposition, but my dad goes way back in the LOI and he compares their passing and movement to the great Hoops sides of the 60`s, with O`Neill, Leech and Brophy in attack.
 

Imagine for a moment that there was a current forum member who was on the fringes of that early 00's Shels team. What a wondrous moment for YBIG that would be be. If only, eh. 
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Apologies saint tom,thought that game v pats was the first,i stand corrected.wonder goal is right from fats though,i was standing right beside where he hit it,great goal.still up on you tube i think.
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Shelbourne by a country mile. Current Dundalk team are good but in a rubbish league, its a shame standards have dropped so much in ten years. 
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I still think the Pats team of 99 with Hawkins, Osam, Gormley, Gilzean and Molloy were the best team Ive seen since I started watching LOI (Around 1992)

Cork City had a great team in 05 as did Shels in 04!
Dundalk now would be of similar standard.
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Originally posted by RKBarmyArmy RKBarmyArmy wrote:

Shelbourne by a country mile. Current Dundalk team are good but in a rubbish league, its a shame standards have dropped so much in ten years. 

I suppose thats the underlying conversation here. We were as close to having a full time league in the early 00s as we'll ever be and standards were high as a result.
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The only way we can subjectively compare teams in Europe. And Dundalk ain't done it
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You`re right "Cabra Hoop", we`ve all overlooked the great Waterford teams of the 60`s and 70`s. The Shels side of the early noughties was no doubt really good but it came at a huge price and sank that club into 12 million of debt.

This Dundalk team was built on the ashes of a relegated and demoralised squad from just a few years ago. Kenny made astute signings, like Horgan from Cork, Towell from the Leinster Senior League, and Finn from Rovers - who had an indifferent last season at Tallaght.

But as RTID pointed out, the litmus test is how these teams from various eras perform in Europe. That`s the benchmark and Shels went very close that season against Deportivo. Dundalk held their own away to BATE this season in the CL, but for some strange reason their key players like Towell and Horgan were overawed by the occasion in Oriel and froze on the night.  
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Bohs 08 team would beat either of those in first gear
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That Dundalk team featured in the recent documentary have to be acknowledged also. Thread is a bit pointless as many woulda only seen LOI recent years. My own bias would plump for the Hoops 84-87 era, shoulda beat a decent Celtic team in the European Cup and played utterly brilliantly against Honved in 1985 for 70 mins.
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Ah yeah was at that honved game,very good football played by shams against aa high quality hungarian side,their league and international side were on the top table at the time too.
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What about the Dundalk team in the late 70's and early 80's who did plenty in Europe also?
That Shels team was a good side but it had some money chucked at it and it took a while for that European run to come about including being embarrassed by Hibs of Malta! Europe is also changing in that many minnows have money to spend and Dundalk faced BATE in the first round a team who'd made the group stages the 2 years previously.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

Originally posted by Xpro Xpro wrote:

It`s always hard to compare teams from different eras. I was at the Shels-Deportivo game in Lansdowne and Wes Hoolihan was outstanding in midfield, backed up by a very organised defence.
This current Dundalk team are really good and on their day, are arguably more attractive to watch than what`s gone before. Yes, you could blame that on weaker opposition, but my dad goes way back in the LOI and he compares their passing and movement to the great Hoops sides of the 60`s, with O`Neill, Leech and Brophy in attack.
 

Imagine for a moment that there was a current forum member who was on the fringes of that early 00's Shels team. What a wondrous moment for YBIG that would be be. If only, eh. 
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