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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by jamo1 jamo1 wrote:

Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

And it begins. Trump accepts the Republican nomination and begins destroying Joe Biden second by second, scaring people of voting for a man who needs to be in a nursing home.
Biden doesn't have a chance, could you have two of the worst candidates running for President? I thought Clinton was bad but Sleepy Joe!! 4 more years of Donald im afraid.

Joe will be 78 in Nov .... Donald was the oldest elected president at 70!

I believe Donald is still at evens or better. It’s a good bet.

Trump is 74, either way the USA will have its oldest elected president.


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Originally posted by Mulvanystrasse Mulvanystrasse wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by jamo1 jamo1 wrote:

Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

And it begins. Trump accepts the Republican nomination and begins destroying Joe Biden second by second, scaring people of voting for a man who needs to be in a nursing home.
Biden doesn't have a chance, could you have two of the worst candidates running for President? I thought Clinton was bad but Sleepy Joe!! 4 more years of Donald im afraid.

Joe will be 78 in Nov .... Donald was the oldest elected president at 70!

I believe Donald is still at evens or better. It’s a good bet.

Trump is 74, either way the USA will have its oldest elected president.
Trump will "win" but he won't be elected
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

We now know what a weirdo who has created an online "pilot" persona for himself does when he's laid off, he stays up all night masturbating to a Trump speech LOL

I hate to break it to you, I definitely haven’t been laid off from my job. Please don’t suggest otherwise. Also, surely this would warrant a suspension on a forum personally attacking a private poster. 


Shameful attempt at "cancel culture" by you - why do you hate free speech?
What's that called again, an oxymoron?
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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

We now know what a weirdo who has created an online "pilot" persona for himself does when he's laid off, he stays up all night masturbating to a Trump speech LOL

I hate to break it to you, I definitely haven’t been laid off from my job. Please don’t suggest otherwise. Also, surely this would warrant a suspension on a forum personally attacking a private poster. 


Shameful attempt at "cancel culture" by you - why do you hate free speech?
What's that called again, an oxymoron?
If you take the oxy bit out you have what Byrner is


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Takeover by right wing fascism???
It is actually the complete opposite..its left wing fascism that has taken over and taken to the streets and destroyed their own neighbourhoods..idiots. 

You need to switch left wing bias media off for a moment, log out of twitter and actually look at what is happening. 

People are being attacked for not raising a fist when a mob screams at them to do so as they eat their dinners. Its bloody crazy. Its ANTIFA who have terrorised the States for a number of years now, and when BLM picked up again they hijacked it for their own political means... taken down the system! 

I know what side I would stand with.

But also, let us stop being so obsessed with American politics. Its a bit sad that when they have a blm protest for example, london and dublin follow suit as if we are living with the same issues or are a part of the states. We aren't.
Get over it. 

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Originally posted by Pubes Pubes wrote:

Takeover by right wing fascism???
It is actually the complete opposite..its left wing fascism that has taken over and taken to the streets and destroyed their own neighbourhoods..idiots. 

You need to switch left wing bias media off for a moment, log out of twitter and actually look at what is happening. 

People are being attacked for not raising a fist when a mob screams at them to do so as they eat their dinners. Its bloody crazy. Its ANTIFA who have terrorised the States for a number of years now, and when BLM picked up again they hijacked it for their own political means... taken down the system! 

I know what side I would stand with.

But also, let us stop being so obsessed with American politics. Its a bit sad that when they have a blm protest for example, london and dublin follow suit as if we are living with the same issues or are a part of the states. We aren't.
Get over it. 

You really, really don't get it, do you?

America has and has always had a caste system. That caste system has always had blacks as the bottom caste, the undercaste. And it still does. The caste system has always framed whiteness as innocence and purity, and blackness as criminality. And it still does. And you do it here.

So called "law and order" has always been a racist dog whistle, because it frames criminality as inherently black, and blackness as inherently criminal.

America is a white supremacist state, it always has been. Those on the wrong end of this, and many who are not, understand that. You, living in East Sussex or wherever you live, refuse to, you have no intention of engaging with understanding.

What we saw the other night was white supremacist terrorism in action. White supremacists assembled online and came in from out of state, and in with the enablement of police, murdered protestors.

And the orange guy in the White House is firmly on the side of those white supremacist terrorists.

American police are basically a white supremacist criminal mob, murdering and brutalising with impunity, and inflicting that murder and brutality and the black community at a massively disproportionate rte. To believe otherwise, you'd also have to believe that the RUC or the black and tans were great fellas. 

Basically, if you support white supremacist terrorism, and by supporting the police in America that's what you're doing - you should renounce your Irishness, because we on this island were subject to the same thing as what the black community in the US suffers. We, above all, should understand what's happening.


There is no such organisation as "Antifa". Antifa stands for anti-fascism. Anti-fascism, is now, says Trump "a terrorist offence".

Think about that for one second and see who are the fascists. Trump tells you himself that that's what he is. Believe him.

Republican politics is about minority rule. Rigging the election is about minority rule. If Trump succeeds in rigging the election, and at this point it looks likely, America is finished. Fascism is already there, but it will have won permanently. 


The more I write about this, the more it becomes plain: if Biden loses, 2020 will be the last remotely free and fair election we have for decades, and certainly my lifetime. We are in the middle of an autocratic attempt, and it looks so much like Hungary's... 1/n
The courts are being packed with loyalists. Most state legislatures in swing states are gerrymandered beyond belief. The executive branch is gaining unitary power. The Dept of Justice is blatantly selectively applying the law to favor the autocrat. IGs are being destroyed 2/n
AGs are being replaced. Congress is no longer a check on corruption, as the Senate has been captured by Trump loyalists. RBG is in bad shape. Ditto Breyer. Hybrid regimes (competitive authoritarianism) are remarkably stable. This is why 2020 is for all the marbles. 3/n
This is why I have no use for people who whinge about Biden/Harris not being far enough left for their tastes. They are under the mistaken belief that if Biden loses, they will have another chance to elect people that are far enough left for their liking. 4/n
The truth is, if Biden/Harris lose, there isn't going to be an opportunity to elect someone they like in their lifetime. Not without secession of blue states. That's the only plausible scenario I can come up with after the autocratic breakthrough. 5/n
The people who study autocracy are all singing the same tune: American Democracy is not strong enough to survive another 4 years. The guardrails are already almost completely down. This is entirely consistent with how others have fallen in the post-Cold War period. 6/n
Trump's intentions are clear. So are the GOP's. While Republicans are fear-mongering the hell out of this election, Democrats refuse to call what is happening what it is for fear of sounding alarmist. Maybe this helps their chances of election... 7/n
But it leaves the vast majority of the American public in the dark as to how incredibly dangerous this moment is. Especially with QAnon, a group that wants enemies thrown in concentration camps, inexorably capturing the Republican party even as it becomes autocratic. 8/n
Beware, be warned, or don't. Because once this election comes and goes, if Donald J. Trump is still President on January 21st, 2021, We're f**ked. Democracy in America is not coming back. 9/n
In most states, your vote no longer matters. We are rapidly approaching it at a federal level.

"You know that you are no longer living in a democracy because the elections in which you are participating no longer can yield political change" 10/n
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I do wish people would stop with this absolute sh*te that “ we Irish suffered as much as black people”!! We did f**king well NOT, and it’s getting stupid.
Yes Ireland and the people therein suffered appalling sectarian and oppressive injustice from an outside invader, but we endured what the welsh and Scots did too, and many people of smaller nations around Europe did.
We did not have this oppression because of skin pigment, an oppression which continues unabated to this day. 
Also many, many Irish in the Caribbean and USA and aboard slave ships etc. actively participated in the slave trade.
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Originally posted by Pubes Pubes wrote:

Takeover by right wing fascism???
It is actually the complete opposite..its left wing fascism that has taken over and taken to the streets and destroyed their own neighbourhoods..idiots. 

You need to switch left wing bias media off for a moment, log out of twitter and actually look at what is happening. 

People are being attacked for not raising a fist when a mob screams at them to do so as they eat their dinners. Its bloody crazy. Its ANTIFA who have terrorised the States for a number of years now, and when BLM picked up again they hijacked it for their own political means... taken down the system! 

I know what side I would stand with.

But also, let us stop being so obsessed with American politics. Its a bit sad that when they have a blm protest for example, london and dublin follow suit as if we are living with the same issues or are a part of the states. We aren't.
Get over it. 

We have found the brains of the operation.LOL Planning's brother that didn't go to school.LOL
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The one and only reason america would be fckd if Trump wins, is the far left rioting more and more.
Your clearly down tbe left rabbit hole. You mention QANON. Yes they are ridiculous.. but so is the far left!
They are literally destroying their country by burning down neighbourhoods and businesses run and owned by black people they are supposedly supporting.
ANTIFA might mean one thing.. but its actions don't match up. They are everything the word fascist means using good honest principles like anti racism etc to cover up their true agenda.
You do sound exactly like them though...trying to cancel me and my Irishness because I don't agree with a Marxist ideology.
People like Pelosi in the democrat party are pure evil and untrustworthy...if you can't see that and everything for what it really is..i feel sorry for you 
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Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

I do wish people would stop with this absolute sh*te that “ we Irish suffered as much as black people”!! We did f**king well NOT, and it’s getting stupid.
Yes Ireland and the people therein suffered appalling sectarian and oppressive injustice from an outside invader, but we endured what the welsh and Scots did too, and many people of smaller nations around Europe did.
We did not have this oppression because of skin pigment, an oppression which continues unabated to this day. 
Also many, many Irish in the Caribbean and USA and aboard slave ships etc. actively participated in the slave trade.
The Irish certainly did not suffer as much as black people have historically suffered in the US and the only people who claim otherwise are white supremacists.

I certainly didn't claim we did.

But what we did suffer was more than enough to give us a very good insight indeed into where we should stand on events in the US, and whose side we should be on.
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Originally posted by Pubes Pubes wrote:

The one and only reason america would be fckd if Trump wins, is the far left rioting more and more.
Your clearly down tbe left rabbit hole. You mention QANON. Yes they are ridiculous.. but so is the far left!
They are literally destroying their country by burning down neighbourhoods and businesses run and owned by black people they are supposedly supporting.
ANTIFA might mean one thing.. but its actions don't match up. They are everything the word fascist means using good honest principles like anti racism etc to cover up their true agenda.
You do sound exactly like them though...trying to cancel me and my Irishness because I don't agree with a Marxist ideology.
People like Pelosi in the democrat party are pure evil and untrustworthy...if you can't see that and everything for what it really is..i feel sorry for you 

The USA is f**ked right now after 3.5 years of Trump.
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Originally posted by Pubes Pubes wrote:

The one and only reason america would be fckd if Trump wins, is the far left rioting more and more.
Your clearly down tbe left rabbit hole. You mention QANON. Yes they are ridiculous.. but so is the far left!
They are literally destroying their country by burning down neighbourhoods and businesses run and owned by black people they are supposedly supporting.
ANTIFA might mean one thing.. but its actions don't match up. They are everything the word fascist means using good honest principles like anti racism etc to cover up their true agenda.
You do sound exactly like them though...trying to cancel me and my Irishness because I don't agree with a Marxist ideology.
People like Pelosi in the democrat party are pure evil and untrustworthy...if you can't see that and everything for what it really is..i feel sorry for you 
Imagine believing that Nancy Pelosi is a Marxist. 

There are some right lunatics out there.




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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

I do wish people would stop with this absolute sh*te that “ we Irish suffered as much as black people”!! We did f**king well NOT, and it’s getting stupid.
Yes Ireland and the people therein suffered appalling sectarian and oppressive injustice from an outside invader, but we endured what the welsh and Scots did too, and many people of smaller nations around Europe did.
We did not have this oppression because of skin pigment, an oppression which continues unabated to this day. 
Also many, many Irish in the Caribbean and USA and aboard slave ships etc. actively participated in the slave trade.
The Irish certainly did not suffer as much as black people have historically suffered in the US and the only people who claim otherwise are white supremacists.

I certainly didn't claim we did.

But what we did suffer was more than enough to give us a very good insight indeed into where we should stand on events in the US, and whose side we should be on.
100% agree with you, but to there are Irish people who refuse to recognise the fact that many Irish, both native and descendant, have been enthusiastic participants in the subjugation of black people. 
Some of the rhetoric of Irish people about refugees and Irish people of colour is shocking.
Thankfully the majority are not like this.

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Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

I do wish people would stop with this absolute sh*te that “ we Irish suffered as much as black people”!! We did f**king well NOT, and it’s getting stupid.
Yes Ireland and the people therein suffered appalling sectarian and oppressive injustice from an outside invader, but we endured what the welsh and Scots did too, and many people of smaller nations around Europe did.
We did not have this oppression because of skin pigment, an oppression which continues unabated to this day. 
Also many, many Irish in the Caribbean and USA and aboard slave ships etc. actively participated in the slave trade.
The Irish certainly did not suffer as much as black people have historically suffered in the US and the only people who claim otherwise are white supremacists.

I certainly didn't claim we did.

But what we did suffer was more than enough to give us a very good insight indeed into where we should stand on events in the US, and whose side we should be on.
100% agree with you, but to there are Irish people who refuse to recognise the fact that many Irish, both native and descendant, have been enthusiastic participants in the subjugation of black people. 
Some of the rhetoric of Irish people about refugees and Irish people of colour is shocking.
Thankfully the majority are not like this.

Very much this. There is this belief, that still exists, that we can't really be racist because of our history of being sinned against. They aren't mutually exclusive. That book that was posted on here recently, 'How the Irish became White' was an interesting look at our progress in America from 'sinned against' to 'sinner'.
I don't think that's Sid was saying though. I think he is making the point, which I feel is correct, that it is more galling when Irish people do it as our own history should make us more empathetic; unfortunately, human history has shown us, repeatedly, that one people's suffering is no guarantee that they won't become the punishers if given the opportunity.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by oldbilly oldbilly wrote:

I do wish people would stop with this absolute sh*te that “ we Irish suffered as much as black people”!! We did f**king well NOT, and it’s getting stupid.
Yes Ireland and the people therein suffered appalling sectarian and oppressive injustice from an outside invader, but we endured what the welsh and Scots did too, and many people of smaller nations around Europe did.
We did not have this oppression because of skin pigment, an oppression which continues unabated to this day. 
Also many, many Irish in the Caribbean and USA and aboard slave ships etc. actively participated in the slave trade.
The Irish certainly did not suffer as much as black people have historically suffered in the US and the only people who claim otherwise are white supremacists.

I certainly didn't claim we did.

But what we did suffer was more than enough to give us a very good insight indeed into where we should stand on events in the US, and whose side we should be on.
100% agree with you, but to there are Irish people who refuse to recognise the fact that many Irish, both native and descendant, have been enthusiastic participants in the subjugation of black people. 
Some of the rhetoric of Irish people about refugees and Irish people of colour is shocking.
Thankfully the majority are not like this.

Very much this. There is this belief, that still exists, that we can't really be racist because of our history of being sinned against. They aren't mutually exclusive. That book that was posted on here recently, 'How the Irish became White' was an interesting look at our progress in America from 'sinned against' to 'sinner'.
I don't think that's Sid was saying though. I think he is making the point, which I feel is correct, that it is more galling when Irish people do it as our own history should make us more empathetic; unfortunately, human history has shown us, repeatedly, that one people's suffering is no guarantee that they won't become the punishers if given the opportunity.
Yeah, that's the point exactly. Irish people should have an empathy with oppressed peoples, be it the black community in the US, the Uyghurs, the Palestinians, and indeed Jewish people, or the protestors in Hong Kong and Belarus etc., or marginalised communities like the LGBTQ community - because we were once oppressed ourselves. 

Of course the Irish are not immune to racism - far from it - as our treatment of Travellers shows - but to see Irish people or Irish-Americans enthusiastically support Trump or enthusiastically support fascist narratives which give succour to oppressors in other parts of the world, is galling - because to do so is to reject what Irish history itself, and very modern Irish history that many or most of would have lived through at that - teaches us.

Also re. oldbilly's point - yes of course Irish people have participated in imperial oppression and subjugation of others - and we need to acknowledge that - it's a particularly horrible interpretation of history that denies past wrongdoings on the part of your ancestors - or indeed people still around. Sadly that's a very common way of thinking in Britain, the US, Russia and now in places like Poland. To have any hope of understanding history, you have to be prepared to be confronted by it.



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New: Data shows right-wing vigilantes & paramilitaries have confronted or attacked anti-racist protesters about 500 times since cops killed George Floyd in May. This includes at least: 64 assaults 38 attacks by car 9 shootings 3 deaths



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This is well worth reading in full. The likes of poster "Pubes" above are living in a fantasy land.


White Vigilantes Have Always Had A Friend In Police

New data shows that far-right vigilantes, often with support from cops, have threatened protesters nearly 500 times since police killed George Floyd.

By Christopher Mathias

Before Kyle Rittenhouse allegedly opened fire on anti-racist protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Tuesday night — killing two and severely injuring another — a video showed police essentially deputizing the 17-year-old. 

Rittenhouse had been walking the streets of Kenosha carrying an assault rifle alongside other armed white men, a local self-styled militia formed for the purported purpose of protecting property from protesters. 

We appreciate you guys, we really do,” a cop can be heard telling the group over a loudspeaker before tossing Rittenhouse a bottle of water. 


It was a scene familiar in American history: agents of the state conscripting armed white vigilantes to help violently suppress movements for racial justice and liberation. (“Cops and the Klan go hand in hand,” the common protest chant goes.) 

So it wasn’t surprising to see Rittenhouse, in another video published Tuesday, walk toward police after allegedly killing the two protesters — or for him not to be apprehended until the following day, when he was arrested at his home in Illinois. 

As historic uprisings against police brutality have swept the country in recent months, antagonistic right-wing vigilantes have been a constant, menacing presence. Often seen patrolling Black Lives Matter protests with the tacit — and very often explicit — support of law enforcement, these vigilantes have shot protesters, attacked them with cars, and beaten them. 

And as political tensions intensify heading into the presidential election this fall — with a president who routinely demonizes anti-racist protesters as “thugs” and terrorists, and with reactionary police forces desperate to beat back calls for their own abolishment — there’s genuine concern that the deadly vigilante violence on display in Kenosha could be replicated elsewhere. 

A Wave Of White Vigilante Violence

White vigilantes and far-right actors have shown up to oppose Black Lives Matter protests in the U.S. at least 497 times this year, according to data collected by Alexander Reid Ross, a doctoral fellow at the Center for Analysis of the Radical Right. He started gathering data on May 27, two days after police in Minneapolis killed George Floyd, and continued through this week. 

The dataset, which Ross shared with HuffPost, documents a staggering amount of violence directed at protesters by the far-right, including 64 cases of simple assault, 38 incidents of vigilantes driving cars into demonstrators, and nine times shots were fired at protesters. 

All told, six protesters were hit by vigilante bullets in this summer’s violence. Three died from their wounds. 

Ross’ dataset also includes 387 incidents of intimidation, such as people using racist slurs, making threats and brandishing firearms. 

There just isn’t really anything to compare it to,” Ross told HuffPost. “I’ve never seen anything like this in my life.” 

The data — which Ross gathered from social media posts, news reports and the ACLED US Crisis Monitor with help from Political Research Associates and the the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights — includes some harrowing tales of violence. 

A U.S. Army sergeant, who had previously posted tweets about targeting Black Lives Matter activists, shot and killed a protester in Austin, Texas. 

Black Lives Matter protesters marching through a rural part of Bedford County, Pennsylvania, say a white man opened fire on them at night, striking one protester in the face. 

A man in Iowa City, Iowa, allegedly drove his car into a crowd of protesters and, according to a criminal complaint, later justified the attack by telling police the protesters needed “an attitude adjustment.” 

The steady drumbeat of such stories this summer has coincided with story after story of cops and national guardsmen openly supporting or collaborating with fascists and white vigilantes. 

Ross said his dataset includes about two dozen incidents of vigilantes receiving approval or support from law enforcement. A sheriff in Arizona, for example, announced he would form a “civilian posse” to help “suppress lawlessness” during a time of “widespread unrest.” 

In California, a sheriff’s deputy was spotted wearing a “III Percenters” militia patch on his uniform while policing a protest. And in Portland, Oregon, cops let the neo-fascist gang the Proud Boys attack protesters in the streets. 

Disturbing images also emerged of police cozying up to far-right activists: A cop in Georgia was photographed fist-bumping an armed militia member, and cops in Philadelphia posed for a friendly photo with vigilantes who roamed the city’s streets with baseball bats. 

Still more stories emerged this summer of cops themselves relishing violence against protesters. 

A police chief in Sioux Rapids, Iowa, was suspended for two weeks after writing a Facebook comment encouraging people to drive their cars through Black Lives Matter demonstrators.

HIT THE GAS AND HANG ON FOR THE SPEED BUMPS,” he wrote. 

And in Wilmington, North Carolina, three white police officers were fired after being caught on camera using racial slurs while discussing massacring Black protesters.

We are just going to go out and start slaughtering them f**king *****rs,” one officer said. 

Wipe ’em off the f**king map,” the same officer said. “That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.”

A report published this week by former FBI agent Mike German, now a fellow at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, documented how police ties to “white supremacist groups or far-right militant activities” have been uncovered in over a dozen states since 2000.

In a time when the effort to defund police is getting some salience, the police are behaving in such a way as to justify that argument,” German told The Guardian

Enforcing A Racial Order

Nick Estes, a professor of American studies at the University of New Mexico and author of the book “Our History Is The Future,” remembers listening to the police scanner earlier this summer when the gun-toting militia group New Mexico Civil Guard turned up to harass and attack anti-racist protesters in Albuquerque. 

He said cops could be heard on the scanner referring to this group of vigilantes — founded by a neo-Nazi —  as “heavily armed friendlies.”

A short time later, one of those “friendlies” shot and badly injured an anti-racist protester. 

Estes argues it’s important to remember the history of white vigilantism in the U.S. in order to understand how these fascist groups operate in our society today, and how they’ve often proven an eager partner with law enforcement. 

The Second Amendment was created specifically to arm white settlers against runaway slaves, enslaved African people, as well as to kill native people on the frontier,” Estes said. 

Fast forward to the Reconstruction Era after the Civil War, Estes said, and you see the emergence of the Ku Klux Klan, a white vigilante group that used the Second Amendment to terrorize Black Americans. Decades later, during the Jim Crow era, armed citizens often attacked Black Americans in Sundown Towns — referring to all-white municipalities or neighborhoods across the country — with little to no recourse from law enforcement. 

And look at the violence in “border towns” — white majority settlements ringing Native American reservations — where white vigilantes have maimed and murdered Indigenous peoples for generations. Law enforcement has often looked the other way. 

These white vigilantes today don’t misinterpret history,” Estes said. “They’re actually upholding the kind of the original intent of the Second Amendment.”

What’s happening now, he added, is “an intensification of that kind of citizen policing” in response to a growing tide of Black Lives Matter and anti-fascist organizing. 

Steven Gardiner, a research analyst at Political Research Associates, a social justice think tank that monitors the far-right, said there has been a “tremendous increase” in right-wing paramilitary activity this year. 

It gained momentum, he said, during protests against lockdown measurers meant to stem the spread of the coronavirus. Armed militias circled — and sometimes even entered — state Capitol buildings, showing the often hands-off approach with which governments often treat white vigilantes. 

At Black Lives Matter protests following the police killing of Floyd, disparate paramilitary and vigilante groups — Boogaloo Bois, III Percenters, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and white nationalists — became a regular fixture of right-wing counterprotests. 

If you get counterprotesters showing up who are armed, cops are almost always facing towards the Black Lives Matter and racial justice protesters, not towards the armed counterprotesters,” Gardiner said. 

This, he argued, has created an atmosphere in which paramilitary groups feel emboldened. 

Going forward, we need to seriously reconsider the permissiveness with which we are allowing armed paramilitaries to roam the streets of our nation’s towns and cities, as if this is normal,” Gardiner said. “There’s nothing normal about this. We don’t want to be living in a war zone.”  

A ‘Recipe For Disaster’

The next few months could prove treacherous, as multiple armed factions aligned with the state — including private militias, the National Guard, sheriffs departments and local municipal police — could descend on more cities like Kenosha, where a particularly energetic uprising broke out after the police shooting of Jacob Blake this week. 

Moreover, President Donald Trump could send out more federal troops from the Department of Homeland Security, like the ones seen abducting protesters and throwing them into unmarked vans in Portland and Chicago earlier this year.  

This is a recipe for disaster,” Gardiner said. “At a minimum, there needs to be a sorting out of who’s in charge, and some understanding of what the rules of engagement are for law enforcement and the National Guard, and who’s gonna play what role.” 

Meanwhile, both right-wing media and the Trump-led GOP appear hellbent on throwing more gasoline on the fire.  

On Wednesday evening, Fox News host Tucker Carlson attempted to justify Rittenhouse allegedly shooting anti-racist protesters in Kenosha. 

How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?” he asked millions of viewers on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

The next day, congressional Republicans including Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) and Paul Gosar (Ariz.) made statements appearing to defend Rittenhouse, arguing that he somehow acted in self-defense. 

This right-wing propaganda push was hardly surprising, considering how opposed the MAGAverse is to Black Lives Matter protesters. 

At the Republican National Convention earlier this week, the GOP chose to feature Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the white Trump supporters facing felony charges for pointing guns at Black Lives Matter protesters in St. Louis this summer. They delivered a prime-time speech full of racist dog whistles aimed at white suburban voters. 

You know we’re not the kind of people who back down,” Mark McCloskey said. “Thankfully, neither is Donald Trump. President Trump will defend the God-given right of every American to protect their homes and their families.”

The McCloskeys aren’t the only white vigilantes to have shown enthusiasm for the president this year.  

Trump rally!” read the caption of a TikTok video taken from the front row of a Trump campaign event last month. The video was posted by an account with the words “BLUE LIVES MATTER” and “Trump 2020” in its bio. 

The owner of the account, a 17-year-old named Kyle Rittenhouse, is now in jail. He faces charges of first-degree murder. 



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