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Het-field
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Honestly, I don't think it can be conjectured what Obama would have done or wouldn't have done. I'm talking more in terms of actually arranging the summit itself and having the US and North Korea at the same table.
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Denis Irwin
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Doubtful you would have anything as high level as this. There's a reason why other US Presidents haven't done this. This is a huge propaganda coup for NK at no cost to them that every previous Administration was wide to. All Trump is looking for is Trump Tower Pyongyang
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Het-field
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I'm trying to figure out if the last part of the agreement, namely the deneuclarisation of the peninsula was to occur, is that not a win? The fact that there appears to be a commitment of sorts has to be positive. As a comparison, the Iran agreement was effectively to adjourn Iran's nuclear building for a set number of years. It was not permanent and it will require revisiting in time, not that US withdrawal was anything but a really bad thing.
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Offline Points: 37953 |
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There is no commitment to any of that Now that we’ve been given their statement it is far less than advertised. No new commitments. No timetable. No definitions. Glad they met but no breakthroughs |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Het-field
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I'm just repeating what I read on BBC and RTÉ. It lacks any substance, which is in itself a problem, but it seems there is a pledge.
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Denis Irwin
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Which isn't worth sh*t given the two people involved are narcissistic liars
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Het-field
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Agreed. But it is there, and if this was to form the basis of something, eventually, it is useful.
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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There were no expectations going into the summit. In fact, the lefties were willing it to fail, so they could boast "told you so", and forecasting dire consequences. Now that it went better than expected, they're going out of their way to discredit it as "nothing to see here". As with most things, Obama sat on his hands, did nothing, and let the mass murderer develop as many rockets as he pleased. Trump hasn't done that, and won't. The punishing sanctions he had imposed, have finally brought the mass murderer round to the negotiating table, begging for mercy. And Trump has said he's getting nothing of the sort without denuclearization. Peace processes anywhere in the world, take time at the best of the times, often years of difficult negotiations. It took 3 years from the first meeting between Reagan and Gorbachov to sign their nuclear agreement. Today it took 4.5 hours, and the start of a process that at least has got off to a positive start, and provided something for the various parties involved to work with.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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If it is a first step, great. It can be nothing more than that but frankly it is a lot better than things were this time two years ago. I think Trump definitely deserves credit for this. However, the next step needs to be a return to the six party talks. Without those, there won't be genuine progress. A series of bilateral talks are liable to lead to agreeing things with one country that another won't abide by.
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Offline Points: 37953 |
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Good god that is some tripe. The man can barely string sentences together and you believe he's going to achieve something here. You must be a goldmine for conmen if you think he can negotiate anything like this. This was a photo op nothing more than that
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Denis Irwin
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The only one who has done anything of significance is the SK President.
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Bob Hoskins
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A photo op for NK. You could be right, and seeing as you have an insight into the workings of this process, what is NK's angle here?
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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Bob Hoskins
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Video Trump played to Kim
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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TonyNotJack
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I love the bit about almost all of us 7 billion plebs being so irrelevant.There will never be another President as weird as Trump.
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deise316
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That's a big call, wait til the Republicans elect an inanimate carbon rod next time around. Actually, f**k it, your point still stands. |
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.....
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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It was a lot more than that. After 70 years of mutual distrust and suspicion, the summit was a very successful first step towards lasting peace. China, Japan, and South Korea have all acknowledged that, which speaks volumes. The mass murderer has one shot at peacemaker. Assuming he delivers his end of the declaration, he can have his grand photo op at the White House. If he goes back to his old ways, Trump and his regional allies will do whatever is necessary to sort the problem.
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Roberto Baggio
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If you read back on this thread less than a year people were predicting the end of the world was nigh. Two mad men in power on either side of the globe itching to fire nuclear bombs at each other.
Its ok to admit you were wrong lads. Yesterday's developments, no matter the intentions of Trump, can only be welcomed surely, thinking back to the scaremongering of a year or so ago. |
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Devrozex
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The line between real life and parody has become incredibly blurred under the Trump administration.
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