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Shedite
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 6:15pm |
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It's the nature v nurture debate. Do ye really think they are better footballers because of genetics?
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I think its just the age profile, as pointed out Poland only joined the EU 20 years ago and many of the Polish who immigrated here were young and didn't have kids for a couple years. All our players of Nigerian descent, their parents began coming to Ireland 25-30 years ago at this stage and most of the ones in the senior squad are only 20-23 years old now with a lot more emerging at younger age groups. Give it a few years and there will be more Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, Romanian names etc.. coming through, theres already a fair few at the various underage levels.
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Seanachie
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Klose and Podolski are different cases though as both were Aussiedler, descended from German citizens who stayed in Poland after World War II and therefore had a right of return (Sepp Piontek, Denmark's manager in the 1986 World Cup was a Warsaw-born German too). Both Klose and Podolski also had fathers who were professional footballers (and mothers who were handball players) so they had a slight advantage from the start.
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Seanachie
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As you say, many Polish immigrant families in Ireland are probably transitory - they tend to go back after a few years. It's also only 20 years since Poland joined the EU. Poles who lived in Ireland before then led a fairly precarious existence - I knew a couple who got turned away by immigration on returning to Dublin after trips home - few would have been starting families back then, so there wouldn't be many Irish-born adult kids of Polish parents yet. That said, there have been surprisingly few Polish players in the underage teams in recent years. It could be the families don't stick around or maybe Polish emigrants don't take that much of an interest in playing football (it sounds strange but Polish names aren't exactly common in underage teams of other European countries either).
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I don't have the figures but is it a case that a lot of those who came to Ireland during the Celtic Tiger returned to Poland during the recession? From the 2022 census, there's less than 100k living in Ireland.
In terms of other ethnicities, we have a really small proportion of population; less than 10% "other white", 4% Asian, less than 2% black. I'm sure those coaching at home who are more aware of those from other ethnic backgrounds and who is more likely to playing football or not.
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I’ve had this conversation on numerous occasions. Just cannot understand why young lads here with Polish descent haven’t come through at adult level. Klose and Podolski are great examples where it’s happened abroad.
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This thread is nearly 10 years old now and I was at the game in question. Super atmosphere that day all thanks to the poles.
Be interesting to see what people think now. The majority of polish adults who moved here will never support us as their main team and rightly so. But I feel this community has done an excellent job integrating and their kids born here are growing up as Irish as the rest of us with no grudge on their shoulders towards this nation. And as a result this new generation of Irish will support the national team. Obviously many will support Poland as well as Ireland due to their parents being from there and that's good to see also. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Can't believe it's nearly 10 years since this and 8 since euro 2016.
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Exactly shuffler
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Just like Kevin Kilbane and England. |
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Ohhhhhhh give then free Vodka that should do it
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A lot of so called Polish children are actually Irish. Born in Ireland, living and growing up here and going to school here, playing sports etc. Their parents home is Poland but for the kids home is Ireland.
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Ludzik played with ramblers and had a spell with City too, good shot stopper was at his testemonial in turners cross, remember Liam Brady playing in that game, christ he could pass the ball to anyone he wanted to on the pitch without even having to look up to see where they were. |
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Polish people have a strong identity & national pride so it would take quite a few generations I think.
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LOI clubs have missed a trick here IMO. A partnership between Polish and Irish clubs should have been made years ago. Polish club gets to loan players out, not a massive distance from their homeland, plenty of Polish/ethnic food and in return the LOI club may benefit financially. As for supporting the national team, as Simon said (excuse the pun) you need to target the kids
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Often wondered would it be worth a shout for some of the bigger league of ireland clubs to sign a polish player from their league, not sure what kind of money some squad / fringe player from lech poznan or leigia Warsaw would command even if they could get someone in on loan.
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I'v bought 3 season tickets.And go support Ireland with my kids.I don't go mad like when I'm watching Slovakia playing but can give them shout here and there.Kids are half Irish,they were born here and want to play for Ireland.And the thing is that here in Roscommon there are 40+ kids at gaelic (u8) and hardly 15 at soccer (u8).And majority of those playing soccer are not Irish...polish,brazilians.There isn't even a football team in Roscommon Town anymore (used to be 2) except one made of brazilians !!And the infrastructure is very poor compare to gaelic.
If you want to attract non irish to football matches you have to targeted kids.Adults will go only if they are really football (sport) mad like me.
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Slovakian living in Ireland.
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How do we go about attracting Brazilian and Swedish women to our games? They like their football and are easy on the eye too.
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