We’re not Brasil we’re Tuaisceart Éireann

A government can treat residents different from non-residents. That is the issue. Nothing more. It does not change anyone's nationality.

To be clear, the Irish government treats Irish citizens resident in the north differently than it does Irish citizens resident in the south. I do not want that to change without the consent of the people in the North, obviously enough. However, the Irish government does not treat those citizens separately on the basis of their citizenship, or how it was attained, but on the basis of their residence. I have no difficulty accepting that and I have no difficulty comprehending that. The distinction is residence, not citizenship. It does not make an Irish non-resident citizen any less Irish than an Irish resident citizen, whether they live in Duncannon, Dungannon, Dunstable or Dundee, Texas.

belfastkev wrote: Similarly, people born in the north are Irish citizens by birth but cannot vote in an Irish general election unless they live in a constituency that elects people to Dáil Éireann. Simples.

I know. They're a different class of citizen from those born in ROI.

Simples.

Meanwhile, I only came back onto this site following a long period of absence, because the NI team played the ROI team a week and a half ago. (You must have seen it, it was in all the papers).

Anyhow, depending on time and inclination, I may be off elsewhere soon enough, and you know what?

People on here will probably start asking, "Whatever happened to Territorial?", as seems to have happened the last time.

So make your minds up. 

this is complete nonsense, i myself was born in galway to tyrone parents.

we moved to antrim 6 months later where i have lived ever since.

i do not have any different citizen rights from anyone born in antrim 

Best of luck lads 

You have better away trips to look forward to than we do which is probably the only plus you could take from that tough draw.  

I think O'Neill would be wiser to revert back to a more defensive approach than what we seen in the Nations League. It's a resurgent Dutch team that still doesn't have too many standout players you'd call world class. Germany are at a low ebb but I'd be stunned if they didn't get back to their usual qualification 'without too much of a fuss' mode. 

I think Germany will top the group and may do N.I. a favour by getting revenge on the Dutch in the two games. N.I. are capable of beating the Dutch at home and holding out for an away draw but I still Holland doing enough to finish ahead of them.