We’re not Brasil we’re Tuaisceart Éireann

irishmufc wrote: Why do you think there was a civil war in this country if not for the creation of Northern Ireland? I've no problem criticising the IRA or any other paramilitary who intimidate,maim or kill innocent people. Even taking the morality out of it, it's counterproductive and only polarises people on both sides even more which further pushes away the chances of reconciliation and unity. The cause for Irish unity is completely legitimate and logical. It has to be done through the political process off course. I unfortunately agree with you over this partitionist mindset down here.

Blah, blah, blah.

Anyhow, what do you reckon for September? Should Michael O'Neill go all out for it in the Faroes, or adopt a degree of caution before the bigger game at home to Hungary a few days later?

Territorial wrote: irishmufc wrote: My take on the whole Northern Ireland football team. It's nothing personal against the fans, players and the manager. I wouldn't support any Irishman that wants to play for a supplanted British statelet on this Island. What good has the statelet of Northern Ireland brought apart from the turmoil of the civil war and the later troubles. Thousands of people killed. The problem with our Irish Unionist chums is they'll always be prepared condemn murderous acts committed by the IRA without trying to address the root causes behind them. Northern Ireland as a British statelet should be consigned to the history book. Sadly it won't be in our lifetime and we've to live with partition. Two points. First of all, you don't have to "support" anyone - there are no Eligibility criteria for fans, just players. And second, those of your fellow Irishmen whom you scorn (though not "personally", aye, like f**k), are not playing for "a supplanted British statelet etc", they're representing the Irish Football Association. As for the rest of your post, it is just another anti-Prod, anti-Unionist, anti-Brit rant, which has nothing to do with the NI football team and adds nothing to the debate. So seeing as this is a football forum, why don't you get back to supporting your British footballing favourites in Manchester....

Don't think he mentioned anything anti prod to be honest. Why do most northerners (Wildlings/ white walkers)bring religion into everything yet most have not set foot into church, chapel or synagogue ?

Edited by drog addict - 16 Jun 2015 at 3:28pm

dunloybhoy wrote: No matter what changes the majority of nationaists will never seen any identity or affinity with northern ireland football. The anthem, flag etc are not ours nor never will be. Years of their fans blasting out the billy boys, sash, the old RUC band at the ground etc have alienated nearly all nationalists from the games.

"No matter what changes".
Are you saying that the majority of your fellow Nationalists are totally impervious to progress, reasoning or conciliation?

I hope not - if nothing else, they may then be doomed to the boring mediocrity which has obtained since Trapattoni and Martin (The Wrong) O'Neill took over down Mexico way.

And I wouldn't wish that upon anyone...

dunloybhoy wrote: My dad grew up supporting them and went to Belfast to see the team when George Best was playing and it was all about the football. I asked him why he stopped going and he said to me that the support changed and it became a loyalist thing. Catholics were too scared to go near the ground.

Sad and very regrettable.

But I can assure you that that is most definitely NOT the case these days (nor hasn't been for years).

And just because we lost a generation during the bad old days doesn't mean we can't get the next one back in future.

And you can't be watching your kids all the time...

dunloybhoy wrote: Im happy to support Ireland with my own anthem and flag and let the nordies tear away with their own team. I dont hate them i just dont care about them nor have any interest in what they do. Most people here should just do the same.

Fine.

Territorial wrote: dunloybhoy wrote: No matter what changes the majority of nationaists will never seen any identity or affinity with northern ireland football. The anthem, flag etc are not ours nor never will be. Years of their fans blasting out the billy boys, sash, the old RUC band at the ground etc have alienated nearly all nationalists from the games. "No matter what changes". Are you saying that the majority of your fellow Nationalists are totally impervious to progress, reasoning or conciliation?

dunloybhoy wrote: I think it will take along time for people to see the support as anything other than unionists/loyalists. I have 2 good friends who go to every northern ireland game and one goes to most away games. Neither are rangers fans nor loyalists but both acknowledge that theres a lot of the support who will always remain that way. They both agreed that theres alot to be done before nationalists will ever support the team. It will take a long long time and while people here are obsessed with flags and parades, it will take even longer.

I think the key word in that is "see". That is, if/when Nationalists do come to NI games and see for themselves, they readily recognise that the reasonable majority have taken the game back from the bigoted minority.

Which is not to say that the minority have completely gone away. Then again, every team attracts an unwelcome bunch of scumbags; what actually counts is whether they can spoil it for everyone else.

And I know from going to NI games home and away with fans from a Catholic/Nationalist background, that they no longer do so.

dunloybhoy wrote: he was there the night george flicked the ball from Gordon Banks as he tried to kick it out and put it in the net only for the ref to blow it up for a foul. Well, he blew it up cause no one had ever done that before!

And when we produce "The Next George Best" [(c) NI fans since 1977], I'm sure you'll all be back in your droves (though that bloody referee will be nowhere to be seen!)

Is there not pictures of your fluffy fans singing ten German bombers and the like? Do you still not have GSTQ as your anthem?

While we're doing rhetorical questions, are you (PM) fascinated by hurting defenceless animals?

Edited by Floreat Ultonia - 16 Jun 2015 at 4:34pm

Territorial wrote: irishmufc wrote: My take on the whole Northern Ireland football team. It's nothing personal against the fans, players and the manager. I wouldn't support any Irishman that wants to play for a supplanted British statelet on this Island. What good has the statelet of Northern Ireland brought apart from the turmoil of the civil war and the later troubles. Thousands of people killed. The problem with our Irish Unionist chums is they'll always be prepared condemn murderous acts committed by the IRA without trying to address the root causes behind them. Northern Ireland as a British statelet should be consigned to the history book. Sadly it won't be in our lifetime and we've to live with partition. Two points. First of all, you don't have to "support" anyone - there are no Eligibility criteria for fans, just players. And second, those of your fellow Irishmen whom you scorn (though not "personally", aye, like f**k), are not playing for "a supplanted British statelet etc", they're representing the Irish Football Association. As for the rest of your post, it is just another anti-Prod, anti-Unionist, anti-Brit rant, which has nothing to do with the NI football team and adds nothing to the debate. So seeing as this is a football forum, why don't you get back to supporting your British footballing favourites in Manchester....

What?!

First of all the name of the team is Northern Ireland, a British statelet in Ireland.This is a matter of fact not opinion. They are representing Northern Ireland.

I've never really had any negative experiences if any anytime I've been in Northern Ireland. I reserve my scorn for people like Tom Elliot, Jim Allistersauros, Gregory Campbell etc etc.

I'm in no way anglophobic or anti British. My favourite music, club team,comedies,writers etc etc are mostly British. I'm anti British colonialism whether it's in this country or abroad.

Being anti Unionist is a pitiful disagreement, it's not personal or sectarian as you are deliberately trying to paint me as. I'm neither Catholic or Protestant and I'm no less Irish for it.

It's the usual tunnel vision Unionists like yourself employ in arguments such as this.

Edited by irishmufc - 16 Jun 2015 at 5:15pm

Territorial , would the North fan base consist of even 10% Nationalist ?