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Ray Houghton 
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Singing the famine song is the same as telling ulster scots to go on home...
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Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me...
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Tony Cousins
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I don't know how anyone would be disgusted by that being sung by the nordies. it makes no sense for anyone in ireland to be singing it. Anyone in Ireland singing it should be laughed at for being a dribbling simpleton. The song has a very specific setting in terms of immigration to Scotland, it is meaningless in Ireland. Do they actually think hunger made distinction between religion, did the lord drop manna from heaven for starving protestants or something? Whereabouts are the Irish supposed to be going home to? Edited by Tony Cousins - 19 Jun 2015 at 12:07pm |
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Robbie Keane
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I've a problem with insofar that I disagree with the term being used as something other than Irish. Tbh in regards to being British, it's a collective term which is secondary to someone from Scotland being Scottish first, someone from Wales being Welsh first. Wouldn't people from England, Wales and Scotland consider themselves one of those first and British second in the way that I'm Irish first and European a distant second? I just disagree that you're British. We're not going to agree on this. I would see it as you having British allegiances in political term. I would consider you an Irish Unionist but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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I think a lot of people fail to realise this.... Shared culture and all of that. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Floreat Ultonia
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Muff, all those terms make sense. Although I personally wouldn't say Northern Irish is a nationality, if others use it to distinguish from other nationalities, what's the problem?
I'm both 100% Irish and 100% British. IIRC this caused you some problems when previously discussed but hey, live and let live baby.
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irishmufc
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@Floreat Ultonia
The term makes as much sense as Western Irish, Eastern Irish. It's not a nationality and you can keep proclaiming it all you want. Bring from the North of Ireland, you're still Irish. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Get it right big mawn!!!! |
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Floreat Ultonia
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@Still Hunting Henry:
Gerry Kelly's election leaflet was clearly sectarian because it asked Belfast North voters to support Sinn Fein (by implication only) if they were Catholics. Obviously it failed in the short term and in the longer it totally contradicts SF's claim to appeal to the whole community in opposing austerity and so on.
Nigel Dodds' and Gavin Robinson's equally sectarian antics don't justify Kelly's, do they?
“My lot” are the Green Party btw. I never gave any Unionist party first preference when I lived locally. Why not try to get away from the assumption that everyone who opposes Irish unity is a frothing religious maniac or condones paramilitarism?
A quick read of this thread shows most of the exaggerated outrage coming from Nationalists, don't ye think?
@IrishMUFC:
Northern Irishness as an identity would be redundant if people didn't use it. Since anecdotal, large-scale survey and census evidence suggests hundreds of thousands do, your point makes little sense.
@Green Devil:
Many NI fans (self included) would prefer a unique anthem to be played before games. Danny Boy would be fine for me.
An admittedly smaller number would be prepared to change our flag. |
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irishmufc
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I wouldn't be and don't care tbh. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Irish Duke
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A lot of scottish unionists support england rather than scotland. It would be reasonable to play GSTQ if there was a british team but there is not, I'm sure a lot of england supporters would go with Jerusalem as their anthem as scotland and wales use their own. The IRFU rightly changed the anthem to include unionists so the IFA should do the same. But not a hope in hell they will as they still see it as "their" team.
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SByrne24
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Irishmuff you'd be surprised how many Unionists support England.
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irishmufc
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But GD there isn't an appetite for any compromise in this. Nationalists in N.I. will generally support the ROI team. Irish Unionists in N.I. will generally support the N.I. football team and probably feel GSTQ is their anthem. GTSQ is an anthem Unionists identify with. Protestants and Catholics shouldn't come into this argument as you're blurring the lines between religion and nationality. You can have Catholic Unionists and Protestant Republicans. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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SByrne24
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You've no hope, there would be an up roar. 'This is Britain' 'Our Queen' the revenue from Nationalists in windsor is around 7-8% so as they see it they're in the majority and thats their fleg and their queen Danny boy is the obvious choice for the North, but the arguments that would come from the Linfield fans/ other hard core loyalist fans would be laughable. Linfield fans complained about green and white seats yet their team wear green.  Edited by SByrne24 - 19 Jun 2015 at 1:36am |
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Green Devil
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Ah well I'm only brainstorming and throwing stuff out there Personally, I think it would be great for both sides to have a flag and an anthem that isn't more one side than the other. I'm not looking for Stormont to change the "countries" flag and the anthem of the nation, but the FA could easily do with the IRFU have done and made a rugby flag and a rugby anthem that represents both sides strictly for the sport and nothing else. |
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
Eamonn Dunphy on Glenn Whelan |
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Green Devil, you're living in La La land. I don't mean that rudely either we'd all like that but they are quite happy with the way things are up there it'll never change because they don't want it to, the thought of a flag not being the usual caused a riot and an enquiry. |
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane
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Firstly, using another nations anthem is hardly a way of showing your own identity?
Secondly, given Northern Ireland's past history of bigotry among their support, the management and even in their FA why don't they look to continue the good work that's been done to stamp out sectarianism and move forward in a new light. I.e. new anthem and flag that shows both sides are now united under flag and anthem? Also Muff, wouldn't it be nice for the Nationalist players and supporters be given a chance to actually sing an anthem where they can truly feel comfortably too. Let's face it GSTQ in the North is a Protestant's anthem and Protestants alone. Edited by Green Devil - 19 Jun 2015 at 1:22am |
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"He drives two Ferraris; I think he's a very lucky lad to have 50 caps for Ireland,"
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irishmufc
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Taking them seriously in what regard? Why would the team and its supporters want to come up with some halfway measure? If you're a supporter of them then you'd probably be quite happy with the anthem or at least tolerate/accept it. They have the N.I. flag and I'm sure they're happy with that. I don't think there's any need or demand on either side for compromise tbh. Edited by irishmufc - 19 Jun 2015 at 1:03am |
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Green Devil
Robbie Keane
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Until the Northern Ireland football team gets itself a new flag and a new anthem (priority) how can anyone expect to fully take them seriously?
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