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Territorial 
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 But yeah, you can't discount Barca, which effectively means Real have really only one more huge game in La Liga to come (Classico at Camp Nou). On which point if Barca were to lose to Man U in the EL, they wouldn't have the distraction of Europe, which would help. Whereas if they did go on a run, the build up of games wouldn't help them in La Liga. And while Xavi is doing a fine job in the circumstances, I suspoect Ancelloti's mastery in managing this sort of challenge will be the deciding factor. All of which means La Liga has already come down to a bare handful of games, unlike the EPL, where so many more of the games are competitive. |
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BrendanD88
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La Liga have two teams competing for the league title this season, the EPL has one (Man City).
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I mean, reqiuiring a 95th minute penalty to beat Fulham at home? While Leicester and Brighton were no pushovers before that. Meaning
that imo, the grinding, consistent excellence needed to win the EPL is
of a different magnitude to that needed to win La Liga. Edited by Territorial - 07 Nov 2022 at 5:00pm |
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Real Madrid struggled to a home draw to Girona last week. Man City are 1/4 with the bookmakers to win their league. Real Madrid are 6/5 with the bookmakers to win theirs. But yea the Premier League is competitive and La Liga isn’t
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While in the same period, the EPL has been won 6 times by Man City, 5 times by Man U, 5 times by Chelsea, once by Leicester and once by Liverpool. Likewise, La Liga has had two different winners of the CL, with another team Runners Up. Whereas the EPL has had three different winners plus another three separate Runners Up. Alll of which reflects that the EPL has a Big Six (four of them in the knock-out stages of the CL this season), soon to be a Big Seven (NUFC)?. By contrast, La Liga has a Big Three, liable soon to be a Big Two unless Atletico somehow pull a rabbit out of a hat. While if Barca's financial woes get much worse, we could even be talking about a "Big One and a Half".  All of which means that while you argue that La Liga is "more competitive" than the EPL, I doubt many would agree with you. Even in Spain.
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The EPL does not have a big 6, United/Spurs/Chelsea etc are miles behind Man City! My argument was not that La Liga was more competitive, my argument is simply La Liga will actually have a competitive title race right to the end of the season, the EPL won’t have that as City will cruise to the title.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 6:42pm |
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Meaning that its quality which counts, and it seems indisputable that teams 3, 4, 5 and 6 in the EPL are by some way superior in quality to their La Liga counterparts - UEFA's (ahem) coefficient table shows that.. Imo, M.City are the "best" League team in the world right now and have been for 3 or 4 years, even if Real Madrid are a "better" Cup/CL team. Which as much as anything else is because M.City have more high quality teams pushing them each season than RM., who have many fewer (relatively) hard La Liga games to play. While as for the others being "miles behind", last season M.City needed 93 points to win the EPL, ahead of Liverpool on 92. Whereas RM won La Liga with 86 points, ahead of Barca on 73 pts.
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Sevilla, Atletico Madrid and Villarreal have won actual European trophies in the past 5 years, you’re obsessed with Co-efficient, what matters is actually winning trophies.
La Liga sides have won 7 Europa leagues in the past 10 years. (English sides have won 2). La Liga sides have won 6 Champions League titles in the past 10 years (English sides have won 3). Congrats to the Co-efficient champions though, what a trophy. |
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Well said that man.
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And that trophy is some way behind the CL, quality-wise. On which point, take away the outlier that is Real Madrid, an undoubtedly great side, and only Barca have won it,once, and 8 years ago at that. (The same Barca who crashed out of the CL after the Group stages for the last two seasons, btw). The tide has turned, and no amount of cherry-picking isolated statistics can change that.
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Stopped after reading the first sentence, a man who I assume watches very little Spanish football, forming an opinion that La Liga sides pretty much give up on trying to compete in the league based on absolutely nothing! Good man.
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Yeah, the EPL. Who are they when they're at home? Expect the return of the eighties-style crack Eastern-European style teams very soon.
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In the EPL, there are half a dozen teams who reckon that with the right set-up, decent investment and two or three seasons solid progress, they could be in a position to at least challenge for the title. Whereas in La Liga, everyone has known for years now that if you're not RM, Barca or Atletico, you have NO chance, not this season, or next season, or any season in the foreseeable future. (And even Atletico aren't looking too good just now, btw). In that sense it's more like Scotland than the EPL. In which context, the cleverer clubs like Sevilla and Vilareal concentrate all their resources towards Europe, since progress in the CL gives them a bag of money, while the EL (and ECL) are a lot lower standard, and so easier to win. All of which explains why, when RM, Barca and Juve conspired to form their Super League, they invited six English clubs to be founder members, but omly three each from Italy and (ahem) Spain. They know whcih way the tide is flowing, even if you don't.
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Strange, they’ve got it wrong plenty of times. I was using the odds as a gauge as how competitive the title race will be for each league, but you already knew that.
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The only team competing for the league in England this year haven’t been top all season and are 5 points behind the leaders
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Relax yourself City have it wrapped up! Pep making it a little interesting for everyone else.
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Klopp keeping pace with city has given it a veneer of competitiveness but city now average almost 100 points a season and are favorites to win a fifth league out of six.
Oil money has ruined the Premier League.
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