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NewtNewbie
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The simple answers are always the most seductive. Thusly, European success isn't absolute evidence that a certain club's European performance necessarily suggests the predominance of the league that club plays in.
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Roberto Baggio
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They last won a CL 3 seasons ago I mean, and their top teams have declined a lot since then I’ll give you the EL record, maybe their next tier down from the top few teams are stronger than those in England
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coyne
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Sevilla would easily do well in the EPL and they don't even come close in terms of budgets either. Barca are a team in total transition so they'll be out of the picture for a few seasons, but even then they made a very convincing win against Juve last night. If you look at who Real Madrid have lost over 2-3 years it's easy to see why they've declined, some serious voids left.
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Territorial
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True enough, I'd say. But if Sevilla are the fourth or fifth best team in Spain, I'd expect the fourth or fifth team in England (Chelsea? Man U? Spurs? Arsenal?) to do equally well in La Liga. I mean, two of those have won the CL and the other two got to the Final (all relatively recently), which is something Sevilla have never achieved.
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coyne
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That's not an achievement when the bottom club in the EPL gets 10 times more the revenue than 17 clubs in La Liga. EPL clubs get a base TV fee of £100 million for 15 live games and then they get more if they're added in the winter/spring fixtures La Liga clubs only get TV money based on how many live TV games are shown, so clubs like Huesca for example get worse than Championship money. So for Sevilla to be within that group and be able to stand and bang with the best in Europe is an excellent achievement. |
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I'm not disparaging Sevilla's achievements on a small budget, nor do I dismiss the fact of the PL being much so much richer than La Liga. But the debate concerns which is the "better" (quality, competitiveness, excitement, strength in depth etc) of the two. And my opinion is that the PL is overall a better league than La Liga, not least because it is a richer one, and is now finally applying those riches to good effect. And I would go further by stating that this has been disguised by the excellence of two or three (only) Spanish clubs, which itself partly derives from the way La Liga's wealth used to be unfairly distributed to those clubs' favour (essentially clubs negotiating and keeping their own TV deals, rather than collectively as a league). But there is clear evidence that both Barca and Real are now in big trouble financially, with Covid merely exacerbating this, not causing it. Meanwhile Atletico are heavily dependant upon Simeone, who has now been in charge for a decade; should he decide to leave, he would leave a huge gap to fill.
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coyne
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This is factually incorrect. English sides came up against a Spanish side 6 times last year, and won once, with 1 draw and 4 losses Valencia beat Chelsea, Valencia drew with Chelsea in their 2nd game Sevilla beat Wolves Sevilla beat Man Utd Athletico Madrid beat Liverpool Man City beat Real Madrid It would suggest English clubs are actually turgid steaming piles of sh*te for what budgets they're on. They have absolutely nothing to show. |
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Territorial
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I'll see yuur (selective) 6 games from last season and raise you my every game against every European opponent from the last three seasons: And for 2020/21 so far, English clubs have accumulated 5,928 points to Spain's 5,214: Clear evidence that English clubs are now ahead of Spanish clubs, in European competition at least. (Note, too, that German, Italian and French clubs are nowhere)
Edited by Territorial - 31 Oct 2020 at 4:20pm |
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coyne
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Your link works as well as your argument, it doesn't work.
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The argument always did.
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coyne
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Your links still don't work. And your argument definitely doesn't.
What the link is unintentionally showing, is Spain #1 on the coefficients. Which is proving my point. Having a mare aint ya.
Edited by coyne - 31 Oct 2020 at 4:25pm |
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horsebox
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England are ahead of Spain based on 2020 coefficients.
Spain are ahead based on the last 5 years. England had better coefficients points in 3 of the last 5 years. |
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Territorial
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Look again.
What the links show is that both this season so far, and the previous three full seasons, English clubs have gained more co-efficient points than Spanish ones, all competitions, all games, meaning the tide has turned. Or "Fachts" - as a certain Fat Spaniard would say...
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Territorial
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Or another way of looking at it is that from the start of the 2017/18 season to date, English clubs have gained 67,212 co-efficient points to date, with Spanish clubs gaining 63,427. Which is strong evidence for my contention that while La Liga was "top dog" until a few seasons ago, that is no longer the case. And I would go further and predict that with this present financial crisis hitting the game everywhere, PL clubs will come out of it with the least damage, giving them an opportunity to pull further away.
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Gary McKay
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Re the 70s;
English clubs could include players from Scot/Wales/Ireland as “home” players when other countries couldnt. Italy had a ban on foreign players til 1980, Liam Brady being the first one signed I believe. Spain limited to 2 foreigners I think. When UEFA adopted the 2/3 foreigner rule (including the forementioned “home” players United struggled and got hammered 4-0 by Barca with I think Schmichel and Cantona not chosen.
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BrendanD88
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4 German sides and 4 Spanish sides through to the last 16.
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BrendanD88
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Na.
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Roberto Baggio
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Great to see that it was United to f**k it up for the English sides
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