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roverstillidie
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 2:40pm |
heighway2heaven wrote:
roverstillidie wrote:
heighway2heaven wrote:
roverstillidie wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Are you actually having a go at the families of those people killed in Hillsborough?
| I am having a go at the Liverpool fans who snuck or forced their way into the Leppings Lane end and refuse to accept that this was one of the contributary factors to the disaster. And they pulled the same trick in Athens at the CL final. |
You haven't a f*cking notion what you're talking about. Not surprised in the slightest you're regarded as a running joke on here.
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Is your position that thousands of Liverpool fans hopping the styles in the Leppings Lane end was not a factor in overcrowding the terrace?
In fact, don't bother. This will just be the usual 'you are out to get us' whinge that is why I hate Liverpool and their fans. |
Sorry, but you're woefully uninformed on this.
Yes, I'm categorically saying that Liverpool fans didn't hop any turnstyles at Hillsborough. In fact, it's a completely new one on me, so much so you have me scratching my head. Normally it's the 'drunken, ticketless fans forced the gate' angle that usually gets pushed, although these days, only by those it suits to believe.
Neither of those things actually happened though and anyone who's even remotely informed about events that day has known that all along. All this has even been acknowledged as far back as both the Taylor Reports in August '89 and Jan '90, and more recently the HIP report in 2012. Don't know if you saw that one? It was in the news. David Cameron even personally apologised on behalf of the government, both for the events that day and the lies that were told.
However, as soon as the SYP propagated the lie of drunken ticketless fans on the evening of 15/04/89 and it was reported by the BBC (and pushed by the Sun 4 days later) it became the overriding narrative. That's why the families of the victims fought for a quarter of a century to have these recognised as lies.
Coincidentally, just yesterday at the Hillsborough inquest, the man who claimed the gate had been forced - Chief Superintendent at the time David Duckenfield - admitted fully that he had given the order to open Gate C, again, all stuff that's been known all along. Have a look.
"Thousands of Liverpool fans hopping the styles" though? New one on me. You can believe what you want, but what you believe couldn't be further away from the actual, acknowledged events of the day. But there ya go, I've "bothered". If you want to take on the facts, that's up to you. There's a million and one places you could start looking, but even about 2 min reading on google should see you good. I suppose, why bother though? Would mess with your narrative, wouldn't it.
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There are other Liverpool fans on this thread who openly acknowledge that the barriers were jumped by fans. You are a parody of yourself. Of course the cops were at fault, who is arguing otherwise? I never mentioned gates being forced, that is a strawman you have built. How can you categorically state that no fans snuck in? Waffle and bluster.
But my core point is, like you, Liverpool fans totally refuse to accept any responsibility for contributing to the overcrowding and pulled the same stunt in Athens.
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Cabra Hoop
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 3:23pm |
Hillsborough was a horrible event that cost many young lives.
Its not an issue for point scoring on this forum.
Cop yourselves on and knock it off.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 3:25pm |
Cabra Hoop wrote:
Hillsborough was a horrible event that cost many young lives.
Its not an issue for point scoring on this forum.
Cop yourselves on and knock it off. |
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Stoked Up
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 3:45pm |
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I think every Irish person, especially those who have spent time in London has, or should have, a special hatred for Chelsea. |
Why is that? I lived in London I never found them any more hated than many other London clubs.
Of the modern reasons to hate them, they would fall into much the same category as the other clubs who've had huge loot pumped in by rich playboys. |
their fans are aggressively anti Irish |
Never noticed it any more profoundly than at many other grounds. The vast majority of football fans couldn't give a sh*t about the politics, if that's what the issue is.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 3:50pm |
Cabra Hoop wrote:
Hillsborough was a horrible event that cost many young lives. Its not an issue for point scoring on this forum.
Cop yourselves on and knock it off. | I don't see point scoring. Its not a his club v my club debate.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 3:50pm |
Bo Jackson wrote:
Cabra Hoop wrote:
Hillsborough was a horrible event that cost many young lives. Its not an issue for point scoring on this forum.
Cop yourselves on and knock it off. |
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 4:48pm |
Stoked Up wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Stoked Up wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
I think every Irish person, especially those who have spent time in London has, or should have, a special hatred for Chelsea. |
Why is that? I lived in London I never found them any more hated than many other London clubs.
Of the modern reasons to hate them, they would fall into much the same category as the other clubs who've had huge loot pumped in by rich playboys. |
their fans are aggressively anti Irish |
Never noticed it any more profoundly than at many other grounds. The vast majority of football fans couldn't give a sh*t about the politics, if that's what the issue is. |
It's more the Rangers branch they have than the actual posh people living in Chelsea. To date they were the worst set in my job.. The Chelsea lot were very queen's British posh spoken but the Rangers lot had Anti-IRA banners all over the place.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 5:38pm |
So it's the Rangers mob we hate? Nothing new there.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 6:24pm |
Cabra Hoop wrote:
Hillsborough was a horrible event that cost many young lives.
Its not an issue for point scoring on this forum.
Cop yourselves on and knock it off. |
I went to a lot of SAFC away games around the time of the Hillsborough tragedy and it was an accident waiting to happen.
It was the Police Thatcher and that horrible little fecker Moynihan who had blood on their hands.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 8:04pm |
Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 8:54pm |
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Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO | Go on to a Rangers forum and let me know what you think?
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 10:46pm |
BigStrongMan wrote:
Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO |
Its bizarre to say the least , unless they lived in these places for a while and were active supporters.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2015 at 10:53pm |
horsebox wrote:
BigStrongMan wrote:
Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO |
Go on to a Rangers forum and let me know what you think?
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Anyone can write sh*te on a forum. It would be understandable if someone lived in Glasgow and got a lot of stick regarding which side you were on. Doesn't and shouldn't affect someone from Ireland who don't have any connections to Celtic. Hate is for the weak
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Posted: 14 Mar 2015 at 1:15am |
horsebox wrote:
BigStrongMan wrote:
Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO |
Go on to a Rangers forum and let me know what you think?
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Ah come on,based on a forum! Based on profiles on the Internet,that's worse!
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Posted: 14 Mar 2015 at 1:44am |
Easy one. Liverpool. Just read the thread!
Also.Hillsborough was a horrible tragedy, nobody should ever go to a match and not come back. The subsequent cover up was and is an absolute scandal. Really hope one day (seems to be close) the full truth is realised and the families get justice for their loved ones.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2015 at 2:08am |
horsebox wrote:
BigStrongMan wrote:
Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO |
Go on to a Rangers forum and let me know what you think?
| Why would you be on the forum of a team you claim to hate? Not being smart but it sounds like you want to be insulted by them
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Posted: 14 Mar 2015 at 9:34am |
Shoco wrote:
horsebox wrote:
BigStrongMan wrote:
Why all the hate? How can someone in Ireland "hate" a club in England,Scotland or NI? Do you really hate them that much? Bit sad IMO |
Go on to a Rangers forum and let me know what you think?
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Why would you be on the forum of a team you claim to hate? Not being smart but it sounds like you want to be insulted by them | Links provided in the Rangers thread. Collymore's twitter feed. And some Rangers fans who have posted on here too I don't actively be looking on Rangers forums either. I'm not insulted by what they write either.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2015 at 10:55am |
roverstillidie wrote:
heighway2heaven wrote:
roverstillidie wrote:
heighway2heaven wrote:
roverstillidie wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Are you actually having a go at the families of those people killed in Hillsborough?
| I am having a go at the Liverpool fans who snuck or forced their way into the Leppings Lane end and refuse to accept that this was one of the contributary factors to the disaster. And they pulled the same trick in Athens at the CL final. |
You haven't a f*cking notion what you're talking about. Not surprised in the slightest you're regarded as a running joke on here.
| And we are off.
Is your position that thousands of Liverpool fans hopping the styles in the Leppings Lane end was not a factor in overcrowding the terrace?
In fact, don't bother. This will just be the usual 'you are out to get us' whinge that is why I hate Liverpool and their fans. |
Sorry, but you're woefully uninformed on this.
Yes, I'm categorically saying that Liverpool fans didn't hop any turnstyles at Hillsborough. In fact, it's a completely new one on me, so much so you have me scratching my head. Normally it's the 'drunken, ticketless fans forced the gate' angle that usually gets pushed, although these days, only by those it suits to believe.
Neither of those things actually happened though and anyone who's even remotely informed about events that day has known that all along. All this has even been acknowledged as far back as both the Taylor Reports in August '89 and Jan '90, and more recently the HIP report in 2012. Don't know if you saw that one? It was in the news. David Cameron even personally apologised on behalf of the government, both for the events that day and the lies that were told.
However, as soon as the SYP propagated the lie of drunken ticketless fans on the evening of 15/04/89 and it was reported by the BBC (and pushed by the Sun 4 days later) it became the overriding narrative. That's why the families of the victims fought for a quarter of a century to have these recognised as lies.
Coincidentally, just yesterday at the Hillsborough inquest, the man who claimed the gate had been forced - Chief Superintendent at the time David Duckenfield - admitted fully that he had given the order to open Gate C, again, all stuff that's been known all along. Have a look.
"Thousands of Liverpool fans hopping the styles" though? New one on me. You can believe what you want, but what you believe couldn't be further away from the actual, acknowledged events of the day. But there ya go, I've "bothered". If you want to take on the facts, that's up to you. There's a million and one places you could start looking, but even about 2 min reading on google should see you good. I suppose, why bother though? Would mess with your narrative, wouldn't it.
| There are other Liverpool fans on this thread who openly acknowledge that the barriers were jumped by fans. You are a parody of yourself. Of course the cops were at fault, who is arguing otherwise? I never mentioned gates being forced, that is a strawman you have built. How can you categorically state that no fans snuck in? Waffle and bluster.
But my core point is, like you, Liverpool fans totally refuse to accept any responsibility for contributing to the overcrowding and pulled the same stunt in Athens. |
Grand. You believe what you want to rather than a judicial inquiry and an exhaustive independent panel.
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