Who do you's think?

Manchester United is purely a rivalry thing for Liverpool supporters. 

I respect them totally as a club with a great history, a very similar one to Liverpool, and it works vice versa. 

Same as I respect Everton, Arsenal, Spurs, Leeds and Aston Villa. Proper football clubs, 

I will never, ever respect Chelsea and their plastic success, plastic team and plastic supporters.

I respect Rangers more as a club. 

As Roy Keane said in his latest book "Them lot are right arrogant pricks, they go about as if they're the best in the country but they've won f**k all for ages" 

1) Man City - A new entry. Crap bland bowl stadium, loads of johnny come lately fans who usually leave 10 minutes before the end of the match. The bloody Poznan. They are as good as a brand new club and a million miles from the Man City that most neutrals used to have a soft spot for. Oil money and a team of global stars. Thing is they actually play decent football but i cannot warm to them

2) Chelsea - Their fans today are 80% posh spaz's who would be better suited to following Harlequins or 20% far right boneheads who crawl out from under a rock for any European trip or match they can cause a tear up and stop black people from getting on trains. 

3) Liverpool - Unique atmosphere hm not so sure. A lot of flags celebrating how good they were in the late 70's and 80s does not equal a good atmosphere. Find some of their fans insufferable and jesus there are a lot of them over here. Plenty of Irish superfans who have never set foot in their beloved Anfield despite being a stone throw away. Bit like Celtic love blowing their own trumpet about how great they are as fans

4) Arsenal - The most frustrating team in the world. I would be in a funny farm if i supported them. Have had the makings of a very good side for years now just don't want to make the step up and strengthen where its blatantly obvious they need to. Massive almost comical flair for the self destruct button (see Monaco's 3rd goal)

In that case

The Germans should be eternally shunned for the Holocaust. Expel them from Europe and close all borders.

We likewise should cut all ties with Britain. Some of their actions throughout the centuries were deplorable. Expel the British Ambassador and withdraw ours from London.

 

Chelsea because of what has been posted already, but the Murderers are a close second. The total refusal to take any reponsibility for their contributary behaviour at Hillborough and constant whinging does it for me.

 

You can add to that list it was LFC fans who were instumental in the creation of the Football Casual culture.

 

I was listening to Big Neville on the Guardian podcast and he cleary lays the blame on Evertons stagnation for years on the events at Heysel and the subsequent ban on english teams.

This is a crock of sh1t , surely you don't believe this tripe  and anyway even if it is true , its up to the club to police the distribution of its tickets to the fans of the club. Those who charged across the terrace that night and caused the crush and wall to collapse were wearing liverpool colours...i remember it vividly an there is plenty video to testiy on this .I saw it myself too.   what ahppened outside before or after the game is irrelevant 

You haven't a f*cking notion what you're talking about. Not surprised in the slightest you're regarded as a running joke on here.

rRally what ground does it happen at ? they tried it at The Emirates last season too....for some reason Pool fans feel they have the right to enter stadiums sans tickets . Theye were not succesful at gaining entry there either but still caused a mini riot outside ...its the reason why Arsenal dont givetickets for their upper tiers anymore. It does not happen at WHL that I am 100% sure of this

Gary how can you say that your sources are better than mine ? 

 

Is your position that thousands of Liverpool fans hopping the styles in the Leppings Lane end was not a factor in overcrowding the terrace?

 

In fact, don't bother. This will just be the usual 'you are out to get us' whinge that is why I hate Liverpool and their fans.

I will draw the line at blaming Liverpool fans in anyway for Hillsborough. Sneaking in certainly did not help but gross mismanagement and panic by the police were the cause. The cover up afterwards was equally disgraceful

Blaming other people is like, trying to blame Scotland fans for the riot in Lansdowne that night

 

Bizarrely enough, all but 2 of the 14 convicted of manslaughter had Merseyside addresses. We cannot conclude from that they were scousers. Maybe they were cockneys residing on merseyside attracted there no doubt by the vast employment opportunites.

 

Just to add, those arrested were identified by Merseyside Police with the help of Anfield Stewards following a thrall through TV footage of the incident. The Police Officer who lead the investigation was at the match as a fan.....

 

Do your research my old segosha and dont rely of gossip and tittle-tattle. Liverpool Echo might be a good place to start.........

 

As for why West Ham, I was trying to think of a team that wasn't just disliked for rivally. Kind of like them myself.

 

 

Worst 3 have been Chelsea, Utd and surprise entry is Burnley.

Chelsea fans especially were on another level of mongs but Utd were a very unpleasant lot

 

Have genuinely lost track of the amount of times I have seen you say this - serious Groundhog Day buzz!

Nah that was the Chelsea fans, so I called them Saint instead. The Rangers branch would of loved that 

why do you hate linfield?

As a fan I was surprised to even see them on the shortlist. 

Sorry, but you're woefully uninformed on this.

Yes, I'm categorically saying that Liverpool fans didn't hop any turnstyles at Hillsborough. In fact, it's a completely new one on me, so much so you have me scratching my head. Normally it's the 'drunken, ticketless fans forced the gate' angle that usually gets pushed, although these days, only by those it suits to believe.

Neither of those things actually happened though and anyone who's even remotely informed about events that day has known that all along. All this has even been acknowledged as far back as both the Taylor Reports in August '89 and Jan '90, and more recently the HIP report in 2012. Don't know if you saw that one? It was in the news. David Cameron even personally apologised on behalf of the government, both for the events that day and the lies that were told. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mavTTc21sCY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mavTTc21sCY

However, as soon as the SYP propagated the lie of drunken ticketless fans on the evening of 15/04/89 and it was reported by the BBC (and pushed by the Sun 4 days later) it became the overriding narrative. That's why the families of the victims fought for a quarter of a century to have these recognised as lies.

Coincidentally, just yesterday at the Hillsborough inquest, the man who claimed the gate had been forced - Chief Superintendent at the time David Duckenfield - admitted fully that he had given the order to open Gate C, again, all stuff that's been known all along. Have a look.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-31821211" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-31821211

"Thousands of Liverpool fans hopping the styles" though? New one on me. You can believe what you want, but what you believe couldn't be further away from the actual, acknowledged events of the day. But there ya go, I've "bothered". If you want to take on the facts, that's up to you. There's a million and one places you could start looking, but even about 2 min reading on google should see you good. I suppose, why bother though? Would mess with your narrative, wouldn't it.

Why is that? I lived in London I never found them any more hated than many other London clubs. 

Of the modern reasons to hate them, they would fall into much the same category as the other clubs who've had huge loot pumped in by rich playboys.

Of course a few jumped the barriers, thats what went on in them days, but thats not what caused the disaster, it may have attributed to 1% of it if even, can you not see the real issues here, you have been banging on about this one tiny piece for a couple of days now. You are doing anything to blame the fans

It was a disaster, and it was very unfortunate to happen, its not 100% the police fault, its number of factors that went wrong on the day but their involvement and cover up after the event was terrible. Unfortunately it was bound to happen somewhere in England 

 

I'm sure Rangers and Linfield look up to them, but the average Chelsea fan I'm sure couldn't give less of a sh*t about those two clubs.

of course 

 

Indeed. I stand corrected - some pleb has made a badge so it must be true.