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 Sham157 wrote:

 Shoco wrote:

 Sham157 wrote:

 Shoco wrote:

As I have absolutely zero interest in politics can someone explain to me
1. Is it just one seat per constituency in the north unlike here were we have 4 in Louth?

2. What is the point of voting for SF in the north when they refuse to take up their seats?

3. For those calling for a United Ireland, how do you think this is actually going to work considering we can’t afford them and it’s never going to pass peacefully? As someone who lives on the border I would vote no
Sorry Shoco, not buying this naivety. You’re re not an idiot by any stretch regardless of where you live. You know the craic. However, i will indulge it for a second.
First past the post. Simple really. CW has explained it..I think... in essence, if you like, it also doesn’t matter who you vote in (unless its DUP when the Tories are f**ked) Whoever the English electorate vote in will rule the roost. Regardless of that, SF are the original Irish Party and never sat in WM. The fact that Irish People are now attacking them over that stance is both laughable and pathetic. They stand on that, get elected on that promise, and stick to it. Imagine a political party sticking to its promises.. i understand why you find it absurd 

On your third point. A well perpetuated myth. In fact, there has been many a study carried out that would suggest the very opposite. They have been posted here previously . Anyone that thinks that an island nation such as ourselves, on the periphery in many senses, but so central in others, will not work and flourish is very wrong. Despite our horrific governments since independence, we somehow still flourish on the international stage.Imagine what we could do as a undivided nation with the right people in charge.........therein is the crux.... 

You may not buy the naivety, but it was a genuine question.
I’m not attacking SF for their stance, I just asked why people would vote for them when they won’t you represent them in WM. would a different nationalist party not be a better option then?

Your point about whoever the English vote in will rule anyway, then what is the point in SF even running or people who don’t see WM as their government voting? It seems like a contradiction. 

Whatever about the economics of it, of horseboxs point about educating myself, do either of you believe a United Ireland would pave off peacefully? I certainly don’t and would be the main reason I would vote no.

I’m not against a United Ireland, I just this the reality of it would be very different.

Out of curiosity, what concessions are you prepared to make to include unionists/loyalists in a United Ireland?

Apologies, my comment about people attacking SF and their abstentionism was not aimed at you, it was a general remark as they have been attacked from many quarters about it.
It doesn’t really matter who is voted into WM from NI and it matters even less now. Voting in WM elections is largely symbolic for many, and I include ‘both sides’ in that comment.

I believe there will be problems early on, there will likely be some violence, but it wont take long for the penny to drop that us lads down South aren’t the papist animals that they seem to think we are. In fact Id imagine that the most loyalist of areas will receive some serious financing from both governments. Remember that London cant just stroll off, there will at least be a generation of tapered funding to smooth the mess that they created some 800 years ago. 

As for concessions Im willing to make, its a complex issue I suppose and can only be properly answered when the time comes and we find out what it would take to get a UI over the line. Obvious ones are flag and anthem, yet they are the ones that have the least effect on peoples day to day lives... 

Cheers for the answer.