UK Politics Thread

Britain is still recovering from Thatcherism, putting Thatcherism on steroids in power should be classified as self-abuse. Electing a racist PM to oversee Brexit and pick up the pieces shouldn’t bear thinking about it. It would be catastrophic. I lived in London when he was mayor, it was a bungling mess.

Guppy wrote: We need to move on past Brexit

It is absolutely a major issue and it has to dominate this election. Even at a base level in terms of what it could do to the NHS, what it could do to the import of competitively priced, tariff free goods, what it could do to EU human rights legislation, what it could do in terms of free movement, the Good Friday Agreement and the absent border. The list goes on and on. These issues will all have real time impacts on lives across the UK. 

Het-field wrote: It is absolutely a major issue and it has to dominate this election. Even at a base level in terms of what it could do to the NHS, what it could do to the import of competitively priced, tariff free goods, what it could do to EU human rights legislation, what it could do in terms of free movement, the Good Friday Agreement and the absent border. The list goes on and on. These issues will all have real time impacts on lives across the UK.

KThere is no centre, anyone, in the history of politics, who claims to be centre is always either centre-right or centre-left, normally the former. The fact that a leader of a democratic socialist party is being dismissed because he is a democratic socialist shows how far to the right the media have pushed the Overton window.

pre Madonna wrote: Het-field wrote: pre Madonna wrote: Het-field wrote: It is absolutely a major issue and it has to dominate this election. Even at a base level in terms of what it could do to the NHS, what it could do to the import of competitively priced, tariff free goods, what it could do to EU human rights legislation, what it could do in terms of free movement, the Good Friday Agreement and the absent border. The list goes on and on. These issues will all have real time impacts on lives across the UK.  Of course! But it has been debated to death, or debt, whichever you prefer! The position of each party is clear, unless your an idiot. Constantly talking about undermines all the issues that must be dealt with after, and as a result of, Brexit. The positions may be clear, but Labour have struggled because the intent behind their position isn’t. Simply saying “we’ll hold a referendum” and let the people decide doesn’t satisfy people who have an entrenched position (which is a lot of people). Both sides don’t trust labour to then campaign on their side in another referendum. A strong position either way would see Labour streak ahead. So he should pander to the crowd because the media refuses to accept a common sense approach? His idea is perfectly reasonable. Whether people like or dislike the result, telling 17.4 million people they were wrong, as the Tories in sandals want to do, would be beyond reckless. Going for the ‘empire strikes back’ approach is equally errant. The fact that it is logical, democratic and respectful is against the wishes of a media baying for blood and stoking up the hatred that Corbyn is trying to downplay.

pre Madonna wrote: The fact that people still aren’t getting this, despite how basically simple it is, highlights the problem with the media here.  He isn’t saying which he will campaign because he will not campaign. It’s that simple. He is opposed to the recklessness of a Tory exit and will put that back to the people. Then we move on.  If you call that weak, fine, but the alternatives, in England at least, will lead to even further chaos. In an alternate universe, one where Swindon could win an election, I would fully expect to see blood on the streets. That’s not an exaggeration. Alternatively, a Tory deal, along with all the flag waving and racism that will come with it, followed by more austerity under a bigoted buffoon, will see me looking for a new home. I’m happy with weak, in this instance.

He wants the best deal he thinks he can get and put it back to the people. He thinks he can get a better deal for Britain than Boris has. The reason it is clear as mud is because any negotiations involve two sides, he can’t make promises without the agreement of the other side and he needs the backing of parliament to try and get their agreement. Tory arrogance and presumption in the negotiations has caused a lot of this mess, it would be reckless for him to make similar statements. 

Edited by pre Madonna - 20 Nov 2019 at 1:56pm

Who on earth has said it isn’t political? How on earth could it be anything else! Everything’s f**king political, never mind this!