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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Let’s say IF Northern Ireland gets cast aside and stays in the customs union until they can solve the hard border (which they can’t).

Would Scotland not want the same deal as NI?

I can see there being an extension. 
The deal makes it look like the EU won (Brit’s won’t like this) and no deal is not an option. Way too risky. 

The EU have already won, and it was a rout. Also, the UK negotiates as the UK and will bring all constituent parts with it.
Which is the single most bizarre thing about Brexit, that is not that the EU 'won', but that lots of people genuinely seemed to think that the UK could win. Even more bizarre is that so many of them think they can still 'win.
The mindset is baffling. 

100%.

It was a vast overestimation that the EU would automatically agree to favourable terms and conditions. If not, EFTA would be only too willing to accept the ‘bounty’ that comes with the UK. Again, EFTA members have their own interests.

With weeks to go, anybody apart from the hard-Brexiteers whose opinions are generally compromised, will be willing to accept almost anything to avoid it, which gives the EU even more power. The other misunderstanding is that the EU are willing to extend Article 50 without a solid reason.
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Everybody confident the new ‘improved deal’ will be rejected today?

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They have threw her a morsel but the WA is still the only game in town . If Cox opinion changes it might do it
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Basically the only change is that Britain can now make a 'unilateral declaration' to an independent arbiter? Maybe some of the legal heads on here can confirm, but just seems they wanted to crowbar the word 'unilateral' in there somewhere as a fudge on the reality of the situation - i.e that it is essentially the exact same agreement.
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Will the DUP back this deal? Any comment from them yet?
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Basically the only change is that Britain can now make a 'unilateral declaration' to an independent arbiter? Maybe some of the legal heads on here can confirm, but just seems they wanted to crowbar the word 'unilateral' in there somewhere as a fudge on the reality of the situation - i.e that it is essentially the exact same agreement.

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  • Former AG Dominic Grieve said he had received legal advice overnight that the concession ``doesn't change anything.'' "I am quite clear in my own mind it doesn't allow the U.K. to exit the backstop unilaterally,'' Grieve told
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    Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

    Will the DUP back this deal? Any comment from them yet?
     
     
    They are dilly dallying but rest assured they won't support it unless Cox says that Britain can unilaterally withdraw. I expect he won't say that and May's deal will be voted down again- possibly by 100 or so votes.
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    This is rather like my son winning the right to declare that it is his position that he should get more pocket money. It doesn’t mean I’ve agreed to give him more pocket money. The clue is in the word “unilateral.” The EU is not bound by this UK declaration and has, in fact, conceded nothing.” – Jonathon Freedland
    Sounds like there's not a hope of this getting through UK govt.
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    It reminds me a bit of the debate about the legal weight of the guarantees given by the EU before the second Lisbon Treaty referendum in 2009. 

    I can foresee a noticeable change in a positive way to this.
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    In fairness to AG Cox, he'd have been laughed out of the legal profession if he had concluded otherwise in relation to the unilateral declaration!
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    Wheeeeeeee



    Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".

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    Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

    Basically the only change is that Britain can now make a 'unilateral declaration' to an independent arbiter? Maybe some of the legal heads on here can confirm, but just seems they wanted to crowbar the word 'unilateral' in there somewhere as a fudge on the reality of the situation - i.e that it is essentially the exact same agreement.
    A unilateral declaration that has to be agreed with the EU. Have you ever heard of such a farce?!?!?!?! LOL
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    The bottom line is whether the Franco-German axis in the EU decide its better to have good on-going relations with the UK post brexit than a insist on a soft border in Ireland.
    It'll go down to the 12th hour and the key question is will the EU throw Ireland under the bus ?
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    Not a chance. 
    Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".

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    The EU will work favourably with the Irish on this. And not just because of our general compliance with the EU’s collective wishes over the years, but also because of the fundamental reasoning behind the institution, which was peace and mutual co-operation (albeit economically). They wouldn’t ever consider doing something which could undermine peace in a member region.
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    The comments sections of the Daily Mail in complete meltdown LOL. This was a particular highlight towards Ireland: 

    Traitors, the lot of you. Siding with your EU cronies, against your biggest trading partner - the U.K. Then again, wasn't it your leader De Valera, who allowed German U-boats to re-fuel on your West coast to help them sink the Atlantic Convoys? I wouldn't expect anything less than treachery from you lot!!

    Complete nutjobs but shows you the attitude your average Brit has to Ireland. Treachery LOL
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    Originally posted by the_walls the_walls wrote:

    The comments sections of the Daily Mail in complete meltdown LOL. This was a particular highlight towards Ireland: 

    Traitors, the lot of you. Siding with your EU cronies, against your biggest trading partner - the U.K. Then again, wasn't it your leader De Valera, who allowed German U-boats to re-fuel on your West coast to help them sink the Atlantic Convoys? I wouldn't expect anything less than treachery from you lot!!

    Complete nutjobs but shows you the attitude your average Brit has to Ireland. Treachery LOL


    German U boats refuelling  ? WTF LOL


    Lets ignore that Allied Airmen were generally allowed to "escape" over the border while German airmen were interred   
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