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Het-field
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You’ve made assumptions there and ones I cant agree with. We are definitely opposite on this.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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And deliberately so, but that doesn’t change what was clearly implied by ‘worked for this leveraged pound’. |
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Het-field
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No, you’re just plain wrong and building a strawman.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Why am I wrong? Why haven’t you tried to explain it then? Surely going on about strawman is, in itself, a strawman! I have no interest in strawman at all! If I have taken you up wrong I will apologise, but the implications seem clear to me.
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Het-field
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Just apologise. It’s obvious that I was speaking about the amount of income that is effectively already spent as a result of costs and expenses. That in no way shape or form suggesting other people or other professions who earn less than that don’t “work to live” or that they don’t earn a leveraged pound. The implications are not “clear”. It’s a total strawman.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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They are crystal. You can call it a f**king snowman for all I care. I don’t apologise to Tories, I don’t believe in a kinder, gentler politics!
G’luck.
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Het-field
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I’m not a Tory. |
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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And I’m not French, but I do know some of the language.
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Het-field
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Good for you.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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THanks, Tory!
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Labour haven’t been in power for nearly fifty years and even Bliar’s ****s did a superior job with the economy then the bungling mess the Tories have made of it.
Nobody is just throwing money at the NHS, a lot of what you are complaining about is dealt with in the manifesto. Johnson will sell it off, providing a worse service that will cost everyone a lot more, including lives. Nobody is going ‘after’ anyone. It is about bringing people together for a fairer society, if you are too selfish for that then there’s little else to say.
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Het-field
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Im not a Tory, and have no interest in voting for them. But that doesn’t mean I have to like everything that Corbyn or Labour says, and it doesn’t mean I can’t criticise it. Edited by Het-field - 21 Nov 2019 at 11:44pm |
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Of course you don’t, you don’t live in Britain! And where did I say you have to like Corbyn? You have used Tory lingo, not for the first time, and then denied it. You can be a Tory if you want, at least Topper owns it. By the way Topper, was that you on BBC Question Time?
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Het-field
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More assumptions. “Tory Lingo”. I can’t roll my eyes far enough back at that one. This is boring.
Edited by Het-field - 22 Nov 2019 at 12:00am |
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Firstly, it’s ‘have’ not ‘of’. You do not ‘of’ eggs for breakfast. Secondly, away from trying to wind you up or be deliberately be a **** because of what I consider to be appalling views, I do try and empathise with your position. I understand, and I am sorry if I inferred this wrong, that you seemed to have a sheltered and privileged upbringing. I think it is also fair to say you struggle with self-awareness, ( I’m aware when I’m being a ****, so smart arses can pipe down!) or that’s certainly how you’ve come across, you may well be in character! I feel you lack a little bit of empathy yourself for those that haven’t shared your good fortune, but that is understandable, but the last paragraph is deliberate twaddle straight from the pages of the Daily Mail. Inexcusable. Benefit fraud is massively, massively overplayed in Britain and very deliberately so. Much, much more money goes unclaimed by people who aren’t aware of what benefits they are entitled to, including those a million pensioners are entitled to, many of whom are below the poverty line as a result It is estimated that ten billion pounds worth goes unclaimed. An estimated three and half billion is overpaid, around half that believed to be fraudulent. This is the same stick that is used to beat migrants with and play them off against the most vulnerable in society. It’s a tale as old as time. Just for context, thirty-four billion goes uncollected in tax every year. Would you be surprised to learn that many more people are employed chasing benefit cheats than tax dodgers? I am also no fan of Blair, he should have stood trial in my view! Not just for the deaths of innocent civilians and British soldiers in Iraq, but for hijacking the Labour Party for his own vanity project, but he was hardly responsible for the recession. That lay with the bankers and the thirty years of Thatcherism giving the City carte blanche. Johnson’s solution, that’s the man who boasted that nobody done more for those bankers after the crash than him, is to give them even freer reign. The fact this is being treated as sanity shows where we are truly at. As for the NHS being always the same, that’s what they want you to think. Thatcher could never have sold it off, but she did begin the process that is allowing to slowly sold off. Forty years of deliberate mismanagement and underfunding means it is no longer as sacrosanct as it once was in the British psyche. If you told people living in Thatcher’s Britain that in a generation NHS staff would be paying for parking they would have laughed. It has been slow and deliberate, but it had to be. Approximately a quarter of NHS budget was spent on the private sector. GP surgeries are often private partnerships. It isn’t the NHS that Bevan created now, but it can be again. As I have constantly said, the NHS was built after a war, when Britain was broke and had a population of seriously ill people. More houses were built then too, and the economy grew for twenty years as a result. In fact, people were, pound for pound, better off during the three day working week in 1974 then they are now, by nearly all metrics! This idea that this manifesto is communist is rubbish. I’m a communist, anarcho-syndicalist to be exact, but those are unrealistic aims to achieve in my lifetime. This is real and tangible democratic socialism, the type that is working in other countries and has worked in Britain in the past. It needed rejigging for the 21st century, consumer capitalism is consuming the planet, but it is the best way to remember those who died in world wars. It is far more patriotic to care for all your citizens and residents equally than repeate the same mistakes. It isn’t about ‘going after’ people, it is about creating a better society for all of us living in it. There is very little society or community in much of Britain now, this is about getting that back. It is genuinely about hope. Edited by pre Madonna - 22 Nov 2019 at 1:01am |
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Have a go, I would like them to go right back round. Ironically, I think you may then see better.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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What Labour is proposing is moderate social democracy - a level of state investment slightly above the European average
That's radical in British terms because Britain is the third lowest in Europe for state investment But by European standards it's perfectly normal I don't want my politicians to tell me what can't be done I want politicians to tell me that they have big ideas and big plans for the betterment of society The sort of stuff that is in Labour's manifesto should only be a start Societes cannot afford to not think big - we are at a vital point for human existence The current economic trajectories, especially in Anglo-Saxon type economies, are destroying societies and driving wealth increasingly and inexorably into into the hands of the few It isn't just creating inequality - it's creating kleptocracies And they are destroying the planet Only Labour meets this challenge head on It's a no-brainer, for anybody who has a vote in this election and any shred of human decency and empathy, a Labour government is a must Edited by sid waddell - 22 Nov 2019 at 1:05am |
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PaddyDaCulchie
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Borrowing and national debt have increased during Tories austerity since last labour government but Tories still blame labour. Living in Manchester/stockport 4 years, it has surprised me how many Irish vote Tory.....simple reason cos a lot self employed think less taxes under Tories. In groundwork and construction we are all technically self employed paying 20% Cis tax. Most no nothing about politics.....just labour = more tax. Tories less. Dont realise that just works for the rich.
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