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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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There was a ‘Guardian Long Read’ on how he has aped the model of the Italian Five Star Movement. They have captured the zeitgeist perfectly and give the veneer of direct democracy.
In saying that, all he has really done here is take his UKIP vote with him. He also doesn’t even know when his party was formed or have a single policy outside Brexit!
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Offline Points: 37957 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/27/humiliated-tommy-robinson-sneaks-out-of-election-count-early
Edited by Denis Irwin - 27 May 2019 at 11:49am |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Just watching Farage there, a change of accent and he could be the leader of FF at home. No policies, no purpose, an inexplicable charm and a massive **** of personality.
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Neil Armstrong
Jack Charlton Cyavan Cyunt Joined: 17 Jun 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 5003 |
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he is going for a few sups later
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Ulster Champions 2020 our 40th Title. Take that all ye Moanaghan ***ts!
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Neil Armstrong
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Mr Farage said he was getting ready to fight a general election, warning that his Brexit Party could "stun everybody" if Britain had not left the EU by the next national contest. "We're not just here to leave the European Union but to try and fundamentally change the shape of British politics, bring it into the 21st century and get a parliament that better reflects the country," he said. Would you blame him! |
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Ulster Champions 2020 our 40th Title. Take that all ye Moanaghan ***ts!
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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6874 |
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Farage makes David Ickes claims about shape shifting lizards running the world seem quite plausible.
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10716 |
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The Lib Dem’s and Greens have made good gains. The Brexit Party have now taken control of the right anti-EU faction, and UKIP are now absolutely decimated and rendered redundant. Both the Tories and the LP have had awful results, with the failings of the Tories to manage Brexit, or Labour to put forward any sort of coherent p,atform or policy, being punished.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Like May, Labour have tried to play a so called 4D chess strategy of trying to be all things to all people.
It doesn't work and only ends up pissing people off. At this stage I'd nearly have had more respect for Corbyn and Labour if they'd just picked a side and stuck to it, even if that was to go for some form of Brexit. At least they'd have been clear. Of course they should have knocked this nonsense on the head long ago and come out as a pro-Remain party, because I) it's the right thing to do and ii) that's where their votes are. You see a similar thing at play in the US. So called "electable" Democrats always end up losing, and the ones thought to be unelectable are the ones who actually win. That's why Biden would be a terrible choice as candidate. He won't excite the people who need to turn up for the Democrats to win, because he's speaking out both sides of his mouth, and their base won't come out. A similar thing is at play with Pelosi's refusal to impeach Trump. Another idiotic "4D chess" strategy based on imagined "electability". "Electability" is bollocks. You're only damaging your own electability when you refuse to do your job and hold flagrantly corrupt demagogues to account. Edited by sid waddell - 28 May 2019 at 1:48am |
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10716 |
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The thrust of this is why I feel Sinn Fein’s Electoral luck sorta ran out this weekend. After 10 years of success, the people who vote for you want to see action, and taking responsibility. Mid term elections like this provide a chance to offer a reminder that support cannot be taken for granted. Especially with the likes of the Greens and the Social Democrats offering alternatives, and I feel that somebody like Catherine Murphy would have no difficulty negotiating a programme for government, and would ultimately be anxious to do so for the Soc Dems. Hence why the assorted affiliated trots lost seats and votes over the weekend as did Sinn Fein. Terminal opposition becomes tiresome and pointless. Ditto “being all things to all people”. Labour started that in 2016, with the half arsed campaign, when they needed to be particularly proactive in areas where they have always had the ears of the voters. The Tories have totally lost the plot, but it started by offering the damn referendum as a sop to UKIP voters in 2014 and 2015, believing that it would never pass. It did, they lost their majority, and now nothing can be achieved, and that allows a new party, under somebody like Farage to make genuine inroads, where Parlimentary Seats could potentially be taken from both Labour and the Tories. Both the Tories and Labour can take the plaudits for that.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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It was a rerun of the referendum, the Tories and Labour were always going to be hit. The most surprising thing was the support for the remain parties, largely as a result of a turnout a good 10% higher than I expected.
I think the rough result was: Brexit parties 35% Mixed 24% Remain 41% I think if Labour nail their colours to the remain mast they would get destroyed in a GE, especially when you look at the results in their heartlands. I think part of the divide is between old labour voting areas who want to leave and the ‘liberal’, Blairite wing of the party who have more of a media platform and want to remain. The cynic in me would nearly think it was a Tory plot to destroy democratic socialism here...
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10716 |
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For Labour, the difficulty is they can’t afford not to, as they are just not currently on course to win a general election, and given that coalition would ultimately necessitate a deal with the likes of Plaid, the LDs, the Greens or the SNP, they would need to commit to a firm policy of remain, or to run a second vote for them to come on board. And that doesn’t even consider the fact that the SNP fish in the same pond as Labour for seats, and the LDs are still smarting from previous coalition. But their current approach, which includes the leader and deputy leader at odds over Brexit won’t put them near Downing Street.
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If there was a GE tomorrow then the Lib Dems would probably get my vote due to Labour's wish-washy approach to Brexit.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I think it is impossible to say who is on course for what in a GE. While the turnout was higher than expected, it was still over 30% short of the last GE and it was a single-issue election here. There is no way the Liberals would get near that vote in a GE. When you say that about the Brexit Party it seems obvious, but bizarrely not about a party who are now a single-issue party themselves. At least the Greens have other drums to beat! I also don’t buy the Labour attitude as ‘wishy-washy’, they have been attempting to find compromise in a difficult situation that has been terribly managed. If Labour had gone all out for a second referendum the UK would have left by now. I think in the long term the strategy is correct, although I feel a little bit more coherence and honesty is needed regarding it. There is too much fear in saying anything, but it would be reckless to completely back one side or the other. It is either lose the old Labour heartlands that voted leave, or lose the media sympathetic to Labour, but rarely Corbyn, and the remain at all costs brigade. I think Labour’s policy will hold up as sensible when this has been finalised, even if it doesn’t now, especially to people who steadfastly want to remain.
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The EU elections are quite damning in what will happen if the next GE is after October 31st.
The Tories and Labour have lost their identity, they're neither the remain, leave, hard leave or soft leave party. The Brexit Party have established themselves as the Leave party The Lib Dems have established themselves as the Remain party. As ridiculous as I might sound but I genuinely believe it'll be Brexit Party vs Lib Dems as the main front runners not Tory vs Labour. And with Farage saying on Monday he intends to field candidates for all 650 seats for next GE, its the path he wants British politics to go down.
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I wouldn't necessarily be so sure on that - Only because I think it's easier for people to move away from the traditional big 2 parties for the likes of local elections and EU elections but when it comes to the GE, many revert back to type. I know the landscape has changed but look at how many MPs UKIP have ever had. That said, I would still expect both Labour and the Tories to suffer due to their Brexit positions, or lack of them.
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Het-field
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I’d agree that the EP elections aren’t really instructive. But the fundamentals of what will be required for a majority government are not there, based on consistent polling. Both the Tories or Labour need to shift strongholds, and neither is likely to do that in the immediate term. The Tory Party changing leader may also shift the ground. To me, Labour have totally faffed Brexit, and that initially started three years ago when the campaign simply wasn’t good enough. You could use the same logic to see the Tories as seeking compromise in difficult times, as opposed to making a balls of it. As you say, there remains a faction which represent the “Lexit”view, and Labour knowthey need to manage that. There is also a strong remain vote internally. To me, they have this belief that a General Election will solve all ills. But polls suggest a hung parliament or a cobbled together coalition, where Brexit will be the deciding factor
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Het-field
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It will still be Labour v Tory, but the LDs, the Greens and the Brexit Party could all snare seats off the top two which could make a majority almost an impossible outcome.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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You think they ‘faffed’ it because they didn’t steadfastly adhere to your point of view. It is funny how the Greens, in particular, have tried to take some of the section of the vote that doesn’t like the EU but thinks Britain is better off in it! Anyway, while a lot of members of the party may be staunchly remain, the traditional Labour voting areas are, by and large, leave constituencies. There is probably a certain irony here as a lot of those members that want to remain in the EU without question possibly only joined the party to help Corbyn get elected as leader! That is how difficult an issue this is for Labour. It is an extremely difficult balancing act that was always going to be punished in the European election and, to a lesser extent, the locals. The latest opinion polls have Labour polling highest for a GE, those figures are from last week.In the event of an election being held tomorrow there is no doubt that Liberals will take some centrists from both parties, as well as other parties likely to take seats too. I stillthink a very likely result would be a Labour led coalition with a ‘second’ referendum being part of the coalition pact with partner(s). If Labour put that on the table now, they could start kissing goodbye to safe seats across the north! |
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