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Shoco
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Deise obviously doesn't read the utd thread or he would no not to waste his time!
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9fingers
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Hang on, so you’re telling me the more outraged you are has no bearing on the legalities of the case!? I outright refuse to believe this
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The GerK
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No one is predicting. He did go legal. He was in the process and was lawyered up. It would have cost millions. I will repeat. It's the FAI's job to do what is best for Irish football, bit to try and maximise the damage to Delaney. As Deise said, no one is disagreeing with your opinion but you are letting your head rule the heart big time here. We do know what would have happened if he was fired. There would have been a costly legal battle. The steps were already in motion. What do you think has been happening the past few months?
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Ecumenical Matter
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Every day of the week people settle High Court proceedings, even though they are convinced that they are in the right. They do it through gritted teeth but know that its the correct call. Anyone who has been to the HC will tell you how expensive it is and how cases can turn against you. This case would have run for a long time with numerous witnesses. I would imagine that the way the board allowed JD to do what he liked and signed off his expenditure for many years would be a problem for them.
The reported amount is probably reasonably good value to see the back of him. I would be more concerned about the lack of transparency and where we go from here. You need a low profile professional CEO from outside of the football family and you need properly independent directors. It is inevitable that some of the people who come up through the ranks of Irish football and make it to the new Board will be similar to the duds on the old board and will be concerned with their own patch, so you need competent people to balance that. A big test will be whether Donal Conway steps down after a year and then whether the next president is qualified for the job or is a “it’s my turn” long serving football man.
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The GerK
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This is a huge issue
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Bob Hoskins
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Poor Hans even when your losing 8-0 you come out with the same crap, maybe you could be the next Man United manager?
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Hans Moleman
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I'm unsure what I said that was crap. The man bankrupted the FAI and most seem to content that he is walking away with hundreds of thousands more after already bleeding the association dry for more than a decade. I wonder will everyone be so happy after all these final reports come out, and we will probably have the FAI hiding behind a NDA instead of answering questions about who played their part in this shambles.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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MC Hammered
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I think this is the misunderstanding Hans. No one is happy with the situation. We're pretty much all on the same side here. We are all Terry Waite. We've been chained to a radiator for 23 hours a day and tortured for many years. Now freedom is in sight. We can't help but be relieved. Of course we want justice but being released is good enough at this point in time. |
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In fairness to molexorial I agree somewhat, some of these other coonts who have signed off on this and are staying on are as complicit and have no doubt had their hand in the pie also they have just found a way to keep the wolves at bay and save their own holes also, the heat needs to ramp up on them coonts now
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Drumcondra 69er
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Nobody is content. I don't even think the board are content or certainly elements of it. Nobody will convince me that the likes of Paul Cooke or Dave Moran will have enjoyed signing off on a payment for Delaney. I'd imagine it stuck in the craw badly. I'd have big issues over the fact that it was released at 11.15 on a Saturday and a week before the KOSI report is due. To counter that, I imagine that the work Grant Thornton and Mazars have been doing should have flushed out anything that that will make up that report so I assume they're aware of whatever ammunition they may have had. The ODCE stuff is going to take at least another year so waiting for that wasn't a runner. The options were to cut a deal or sack him. It's ludicrous to suggest that he wouldn't have gone down the legal route had they fired him. Aidan Eames was his legal adviser at the Oireachras hearing. Have a look at the cases he's won in the past and the people he's represented. Cutting a deal had to be given proper consideration much as it's sickening. I have personal experience from a previous work place that imploded in a financial scandal, I was running the union in there and had to deal with the aftermath for two years plus. The former CEO won a constructive dismissal case despite getting slaughtered himself in the eventual judgement. And it dragged on the years. This was a multinational with a turnover many multiple of the FAI and it still had a lasting impact on trying to move on, not to mention reputationaly. These things are never as clear cut in the real world as some seem to think.
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RogerMilla
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easy to say that the FAI should take a hard line . they have taken legal advice and made this move .
perhaps 1 they are in cahoots with Delaney and want nothing about any transgressions to come out or 2 they didn't want to take the risk of going down the legal route and losing . decide for yourself , personally i think its 2 with 1 being a bonus for some complicit lads , clear out the board , clear out all committees , clear the bloody lot out , this isn't the end its the beginning |
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The GerK
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Jesus Christ, just stop Take a deep breath. Go read all the responses. Weigh it all up and come back and post again.
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Hans Moleman
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I have read every bit of this thread. I've followed the story closely for months. I've known that man was a parasite for years and that Irish football was falling decades behind. I know lads on here think I exaggerate, but we are actually decades behind other European countries now due to that man and his cronies.
The fear of it costing millions doesn't change my mind. The only way for a fresh start imo was to take as hard a line as possible with all the parasites who ruined the FAI. The only way for a fresh start was to have 100 percent openness in everything that has happened to and gone wrong over the past decade. By rewarding parasites we are doing the opposite of starting afresh, we are continuing on the disgusting culture that has broken the FAI. No doubt we will be blocked numerous answers around what has gone on also now with the NDA signed off. This on top of rewarding Delaney for running the FAI into the ground. No need for me to take a deep breath. I'm all good. I'd be a lot better though of the 'new' FAI wasn't looking a worse setup than the 'old' FAI. Btw, why do people think this payoff was sorted just before 4 independent board members came into the FAI? Why was this payoff sorted a week or so before a few audit reports were due out?
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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reddladd
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That is the problem. Delaney had everyone in his pocket so it's a case of who goes with him if/when he goes down. Those who were complicit got enough for themselves to keep their noses out of it and not upset the apple cart. Delaney being the bully that he is also kept people quiet.
While it's great to see him gone from the FAI it is bittersweet and my wish is that in a parallel universe he would have to pay back a lot of the money he misappropriated (stole) and/or spent some time avoiding the soap on the shower room floor.
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I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
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The Huntacha
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Ah here don't be so hard on yourself, no one thinks anything of the sort. Legally, they haven't a leg to stand on due to his financial misuses being signed off by board members. Is this right? No. Is it criminal. Likely, no. As much as it will hurt everyone, it's one we are going to have to take on the chin. Now will you go back to the United thread and see how big of a haul you can get.
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SuperDave84
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See, this is a different argument to the one you made before and actually has some merit. For example, there are plenty of organisations out there who simply do not settle personal injury claims, even if they are seemingly meritorious, unless they are absolutely stonewall claims. The reason for that is to dissuade those at the more spurious end of the scale. And the thing is, it does work. Because solicitors know who those organisations are, they are less likely to recommend taking claims against them. If you have a reputation for having an absolutely hard-denial approach to claims, you are less likely to be sued. Those claims you lose might cost you more than if you'd settled, but with less claims to begin with and less claims settled, you might well end out on top. In this case, a similar approach might have had its merits. However, an approach like that depends on one key thing: you have to be able to afford to lose a claim or two, now and again, as the price for the approach. To put it another way, it makes sense if you are dealing with a decent number of claims and the maths make sense. When you are only dealing with one claim though, the numbers become very different. In that case, the risk is not so much losing one or two claims from a large number of claims, with only a tiny risk of losing them all, but the risk is losing one claim in a way which costs you an absolute fortune. It does not make sense to fight a case where a defeat could be challenging to the liquidity and solvency of the entire organisation. In paying off Delaney, the FAI were not only avoiding a risk of having to pay him more, they were avoiding the risk of bankrupting the association. In that case, there are more benefits when asking whether it was a price worth paying in the context of the claim. There's also no doubt Delaney knew that, which makes it more galling, but it doesn't change the fundamental calculation from the FAI's side. If the FAI were flush with cash, yes, they could afford to take the chance and afford to sack him and deal with whatever challenges come. There's no doubt that it might have been preferable, even if they lost, given the benefit of catharsis and the benefit of showing others that what happened was not acceptable. However, they are not flush with cash. In a hypothetical world, it might have been worth it, but in the real world, the long term interests of the FAI are best served by the course that keeps them in business. That's the cold reality of it. The timing is a separate matter of course and we'll have to wait and see what the reports say before making any sweeping statements on it, but on the basis of what we currently know and have reason to suspect, it is safe to say that the decision made does not fly in the face of reason nor does it appear to be against the long term interests of the FAI.
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