The disgraced John Delaney |
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Strazdas
Jack Charlton Joined: 17 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5483 |
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Bernard O'Byrne made this point a couple of days ago. Keep going back to the roulette wheel and hope it comes up black.....a shambolic way to run an organisation or business. One thing has become crystal clear : Delaney was an utterly useless CEO, devoid of any skill or business acumen.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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As Niamh Brennan pointed out the other day: "The annual report also reveals almost complete absence of a system of
internal control. The board did not keep proper books of account. The
FAI had no procurement policies or procedures. There was no internal
audit or compliance function. The are no protocols for business cases,
options appraisals or business justification. The FAI has no business
plan. It is currently being drafted." So you reckon JD didn't know what he was doing? On the contrary, I'd say he knew exactly what he was doing: if there are no rules, then how could anyone accuse him of breaking them? This whole fiasco suited him just fine.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7123 |
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That's all conjecture, Terri. Regardless, even a sacking for gross misconduct wouldn't impact on already accrued pension entitlements to my knowledge and to the knowledge of two solicitors I've spoken to about it. Also one of those who negotiated the settlement was Paul Cooke who is no friend of JD, in fact the polar opposite. To suggest as some are, that he agreed it to sort out his mate shows a lack of understanding of the situation. That said, I've no doubt there are plenty still in positions of influence for whom what you say could be true. Moving them aside will be a fight. And, yes, JD would have to pony up for his own legal fees from what I assume is a tidy nest egg. So would the FAI though and I doubt it would take long for their legal fees to hit the €400k mark considering €3.7m has already been spent on professional fees for consultants and auditors since this broke. To be clear, I don't have enough information to state definitively it was the right course of action. I'd probably have argued they take their chances if I was on the new board albeit without that information. I can see that a logical argument can be made for settling though, much as it sticks in the craw. I've seen close up cases where a high ranking individual in a multi national got lacerated by the judge yet still won his constructive dismissal case and a hefty pay out. This was against a company with far deeper pockets for legal fees than the FAI.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7123 |
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Totally agree with you on that. Wrote the below for a piece 5 years ago after the Joe McDonnell video farce and nothing changed in the meantime till Mark Tighe's story. "I can't see him being sacked over this though, people need to understand that for right or wrong, John Delaney IS the FAI these days. He's surrounded himself with cronies and acolytes, all of whom essentially earn their corn through his say so."
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Strazdas
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If the business plan was to 'make make money for JD', then it was definitely a huge success.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Fair enough - though it would be interesting to know who exactly authorised JD's pension arrangements. A certain Don Jelaney, perhaps?
Were I Cook, I think I might decide I have enough battles coming up against the Blazers, banks, UEFA, Shane Ross etc without adding a tricky customer like JD to the list. Far easier to just pay him to go away while I concentrated on the harder cases.
Oh I can see the case for settling right enough, I just don't see it as quite so clear cut as many are suggesting, esp inc those who actually authorised it. As for your contructive dismissal case, was that a tribunal, or was it before a jury? For if the latter, it is often possible for a claimant with a weak case to appear sympathetic to a jury, esp if up against a big, bad multi-national corporation. How sympathetic do you think any jury would be to JD after another year or two of skeletons being exhumed from the cupboards at Abbotstown?
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greengooner
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The people who either did NOT understand or not CARE what was going on were the people who signed off on his salary, expenses, house rents, car usage, other emoluments etc etc. Edit - It is not possible to believe these people did not KNOW what was going on etc..... TBH, I believe that Delaney knew he had people around him who didn't know what he or they were doing and this created the perfect storm to maximize JDs income from the FAI and possibly, leave the FAI in a complete mess. That said, would leaving the FAI in a complete shambles have been part of JD's agenda to muddy the investigative waters? Edited by greengooner - 09 Dec 2019 at 3:38pm |
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Platini are you listening
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Drumcondra 69er
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It was a previous CEO taking a case at the Employment Appeals Tribunal which is where any unfair dismissal case would be heard. Would have to be a case taken on different grounds to go before a jury to my knowledge. No jury would be sympathetic so would undoubtedly be a tribunal in this instance with a judge looking at what sort of contract was in place.
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opa01
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I agree with much of this particularly about Delaney having
to stump up for his own legal costs – might not be as litigious when it’s
coming out of his own, albeit well-feathered, nest. Saw in the Sindo yesterday
that the FAI paid all his legal fees but where damages were won they went straight
into Delaney’s pocket – no attempt was made to repay FAI’s legal fees.
Heard Dan McDonnell on OTB saying that the beginning of the
end was the Vantage fiasco – that the pricing decisions taken then led to
everything unravelling. But while I understand this was the start of the deep
financial problems I think Delaney was so crooked and incompetent that it was
only a matter of time before it all unravelled. But also – imagine if by some
unbelievable piece of luck the Vantage scheme had worked and the 33,000
millionaires in Ireland had stumped up the cash. How much would Delaney have written
his contract for so that he took as much as he could out of the Association? Huge blame must attach itself to the media (apart from a
small number of journalists who kept digging). People like Matt Cooper (“nothing
to see here” on the €5m bung from Blatter). “JD could be next in line for
Blatter’s job” in the good old boy jokey way – now claims it was sarcasm.
Dunphy (now jumping on the bandwagon of I always thought he was a wrong un) despite
backing JD to the hilt &, with Giles, jumping down the throat of anyone who
dissented. Shane Ross who was saying a year ago “My own experience on the ground,
weekly experience on the weekends, is that the fans are very enthusiastic about
what the FAI are doing. They think the FAI are doing a very good job”. Barry
Egan’s “John the Baptist” puff piece. Ray Houghton who has gone missing now. The
Supporter’s Clubs who turned a blind eye as long as they got their tickets. Remember this was public knowledge to anyone who was
interested as far back as 2008 when Vantage went belly up first – if you go
back over threads you can see lads writing about JD then. In 2012 Davy Langan’s
book outed JD for the despicable clown he is. If Delaney set out in 2002 to destroy the FAI for outing his
dad’s shady dealings and pushing him out he couldn’t have done a better job. |
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Will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest?
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OnTheOneRoad
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I don't think i could say anything on this that hasn't already been said - it's scarcely believable how much they got away with, and were allowed to get away with. With the amount of gombeen men bought and paid for by favours that should have just been him doing his job- it really paints yet another depressing picture of how many unscrupulous and servile people are in this country.
The searches on home and foreign soil while brazenly claiming that fans are not being stopped from protesting. The sycophants on punditry, media, this site and everywhere else claiming that such protests are detrimental to the team, should be done where nobody can see them, the people doing them don't care about Irish football, and so on. The defamation threats about reporting that a video of him singing was in fact clearly him. The pittance that domestic football makes in this country, barely over the costs of his birthday bash for winning the league. Blaming any issue with that on bitter LOI fans. The crocodile tears over the 'bullying' he had to endure. The extensive biographies on 'John the Baptist'. The cabal of influencers, socialites and Celtic Tiger celebrities painting John as a poor victim taking ire from uncultured soccer thugs. And at the end of all of it, the body tasked with ensuring that football is organised in this country is 55 million euros in debt through sheer greed and corruption, the guards are involved, the government is (for self-interest) involved. It's f**king sickening. Anyone who opposed him was a troublemaker. The league was a problem child. Disingenuous calls to 'get behind the team' as though caring about the future of the game here and how football was being run was somehow anathema to events on the pitch. They've taken the game we all follow and let it bleed to death so they could all carve out parts for themselves. And they were allowed do it by all the above. How the f**k it was allowed to come to this should enrage anyone who cares about football in Ireland. And that is important. There will be a lot of people who were on that gravy train who will try to climb down and distance themselves from it now - and shouldn't be allowed to do so. The taint of association with that man should follow them all around for as long as they stay involved with football, all the way down to grassroots level.
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Donegalman
Liam Brady Joined: 16 Jun 2015 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 1650 |
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Could this come back at them especially if McGlue is involved in any legal cases?
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OnTheOneRoad
Ray Houghton Joined: 06 Nov 2014 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 4190 |
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I would think it unlikely. Firstly, given how heavy-handed the treatment is, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of proof that would be actionable. It's also a relatively small incident compared to what's since come out. McGlue is a thoroughly nasty piece of work, and would have covered his tracks. I think it very strange that foreign football associations were content to have the FAI do this in their stadia, and the emails back and forth would be very revealing. They will have gone 'missing' in the event that any investigation was made into it. |
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No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough
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deise316
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Great post and sums up how I feel about the entire shambles. |
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.....
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Pipkin
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Delaney should have been paying BIK on what McGlue was being paid. He was his personal secretary. I don’t understand what he could be doing with his day now. From stalking fans forums to harassing individual fans to banning fans under false pretences to emailing Gardai fans details to reporting to Gardai a fan for an email sent to delaney telling him a few home truths crying harassment (the Gardai told him where to go fair quick) to acting as a bodyguard for himself and herself to checking whether Boats were running up the Liffey or private planes were being flown to attempting to hack supporters phones and setting up meetings with fans to pose threats off the record; he had some job spec. The most complicit of them all along with the Board.
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greengooner
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There are laws about these things. |
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Platini are you listening
You'd better keep your trophy glistening Cos we'll be over next year To drink all your beer, Walking in an Irish Wonderland. |
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OnTheOneRoad
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The FAI board has told the Oireachtas committee that they won't be appearing before them tomorrow. Accountability has clearly massively improved then...
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No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough
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gufct
Jack Charlton Trapattoni could manage me any day! Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6518 |
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it’s all true every bit of it . I’ve been physically and verbally threatened by Delaney’s boot boys and defenders.
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One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back.
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ChesterCopperpot
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