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Originally posted by OscarDelta OscarDelta wrote:

Originally posted by Darrener Darrener wrote:

Couldnt be. Oscar Delta does not agree with any government interference

 
Perhaps you should look at what FIFA and IOC do when Government starts interfering in National Organisations first.
 
 


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Originally posted by Darrener Darrener wrote:

Couldnt be. Oscar Delta does not agree with any government interference
 
Perhaps you should look at what FIFA and IOC do when Government starts interfering in National Organisations first.
 
 
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Couldnt be. Oscar Delta does not agree with any government interference
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by OscarDelta OscarDelta wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Right all you men of the silk, back on track.

What can our government do right now to demand accountability from these sports organizations ?
Fai got out of appearing before the dail.
OCI sent Ross packing from Brazil and put him in his box.
Seems to me the IABA should also scrutinised.


If you go back a week or two I made suggestions but nobody appeared interested.


Can you bump it chief


Gotta find it and not sure which thread its on but will find it.


Gist of it was, he who pays the piper calls the tune, right? As in, the gvt should say "do what we say, or yiz get no cash"? Not in so many words, right?
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I heard there will be a presentation after the final whistle and Robbie will be presented with a family pass for the Toyko Olympics for his contribution to Irish football by John
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by OscarDelta OscarDelta wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Right all you men of the silk, back on track.

What can our government do right now to demand accountability from these sports organizations ?
Fai got out of appearing before the dail.
OCI sent Ross packing from Brazil and put him in his box.
Seems to me the IABA should also scrutinised.


If you go back a week or two I made suggestions but nobody appeared interested.


Can you bump it chief


Gotta find it and not sure which thread its on but will find it.
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

I read that one of the Brazilian cops said he could come over and interview someone over here. I'm sure if your innocent of any wrong doing you can agree to give the interview???


Yeah that one works next time someone gets stopped by Garda...............
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Originally posted by OscarDelta OscarDelta wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Right all you men of the silk, back on track.

What can our government do right now to demand accountability from these sports organizations ?
Fai got out of appearing before the dail.
OCI sent Ross packing from Brazil and put him in his box.
Seems to me the IABA should also scrutinised.


If you go back a week or two I made suggestions but nobody appeared interested.


Can you bump it chief
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That German Article is unreal .

Which one GU?
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That German Article is unreal .
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I read that one of the Brazilian cops said he could come over and interview someone over here. I'm sure if your innocent of any wrong doing you can agree to give the interview??? 
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Originally posted by OscarDelta OscarDelta wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Also, failure to comply if the relevant order is made could lead to a contempt order, which could be made subject to a condition that the contempt will only be purged if evidence is given.


That ain't going to happen because the only people getting rich are lawyers.

Reply by someone I have no information.................. that is it end of.
Irish courts not going to shove people in Prison on that basis.


Maybe, but if you have emails that someone is a party to, then there are plenty of questions you can ask.... if saying nothing was that simple, cross-examination would never work, yet it lead to the famous quote from the US Supreme Court "Cross-examination is the greatest legal engine ever invented for the discovery of truth".

Anyway, there is all hypothetical. The Brazilians might never make a request.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Also, failure to comply if the relevant order is made could lead to a contempt order, which could be made subject to a condition that the contempt will only be purged if evidence is given.


That ain't going to happen because the only people getting rich are lawyers.

Reply by someone I have no information.................. that is it end of.
Irish courts not going to shove people in Prison on that basis.
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Right all you men of the silk, back on track.

What can our government do right now to demand accountability from these sports organizations ?
Fai got out of appearing before the dail.
OCI sent Ross packing from Brazil and put him in his box.
Seems to me the IABA should also scrutinised.


If you go back a week or two I made suggestions but nobody appeared interested.
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Not a whole lot I think, the leadership of these various sports bodies is generally made up of politicians, over half of whom are gombeens/chancers. The IABA leadership would resemble a local Co Council in some backward town in the midlands for example, while the bigger ones like the IRFU would be like career diplomats in the Dept of Foreign affairs, lads who generally give the impression they know what they are at, whether they actually do or not is something of a moot point. 

The actual politicians recognise these lads as of their own tribe and will be reluctant to overly regulate them, but for optics & for the sake of being seen to be doing something, they might insist on a few heads rolling, much like actual politics. Nothing much will change in the bigger picture, just the faces & names, it is Ireland after all. 
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Right all you men of the silk, back on track.

What can our government do right now to demand accountability from these sports organizations ?
Fai got out of appearing before the dail.
OCI sent Ross packing from Brazil and put him in his box.
Seems to me the IABA should also scrutinised.
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Also, failure to comply if the relevant order is made could lead to a contempt order, which could be made subject to a condition that the contempt will only be purged if evidence is given.
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Originally posted by OscarDelta OscarDelta wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Hah, exactly. Brilliant Cliff.

I was about to point out the exact same thing.

Have a look at the case of Cornec v Morrice [2012] IEHC 376, [2012] 1 IR 804. The headnote from that case (which I was tangentially involved in, incidentally) says the following:
"The power to grant international assistance via letters rogatory was a discretionary one. Before any such order could properly be granted, it would be necessary to establish that (i) the evidence proposed to be taken was relevant to the foreign proceedings; (ii) the application was not oppressive; (iii) the grant of the request would not override any established privilege or protection available to the prospective witness and (iv) the evidence so taken on commission was itself admissible under the law of the requesting state. The applicant for such judicial assistance had to satisfy all four of those conditions."

It seems the evidence in this case would be relevant (no doubt), hardly oppressive (a few questions for JD, a few documents), not overriding a privilege (there's none here, as far as I can see it) and the last question, I can't answer, without knowing Brazilian law, but I doubt the evidence wouldn't be admissible in Brazil.

Anyway, long and short of it, the Brazilians have a power to compel him to give evidence, should they so choose.


Er there is no law that COMPELS anybody to give evidence in a case such as this.

If a person refuses to cooperate and states nothing or provides nothing then there is nothing Brazilian Police can do.

And there seems to be some confusion as the case quoted was a "Civil" case not a Criminal one and Letters Rogatory are seemingly primarily used for Civil cases.................. even in guidance provided to US Courts

A Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty is the one you where Nation States cooperate on gathering of evidence on Criminal Matters.

None such treaty exists between Ireland and Brazil.


Letters rogatory extended to include criminal proceedings in 1870.
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