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John Nice
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Also, Josh Cullen and Jake O'Brien say hello - it's not just some romantic notion, there are a myriad of factors to take into account, who can say Heffernan would have been better off at Cork, yes he didnt make it at Milan, but he moved away from home and trained in a fabulous environment, maybe that will be the making of him. You cant just generalise like that. Ferizaj stayed in the LoI and cant get a game, he's 18 now and going to Serie A. And as Banana points out, Devoy is a weird example to pin your hat on! Relegated from L1 in a season where both he and the club struggled. Almost 22 now and facing a season in L2.
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MC Hammered
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As a Pats supporter, I’m disappointed to see Murphy go. I genuinely think he’d be better off staying in the LOI for another full season. With the long term injury he had, he hasn’t actually played that many senior games. He could have had a great run of appearances until next Summer even. He’s unlikely to feature in Bristols first team any time soon. On a similar note, does anyone know what’s going on with Darragh Burns? His move looks like a disaster. Imagine he had stayed with Pats and was playing every week.
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J89
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See Dan McDonnell reporting that Murphy has informed Pats he wants to join Bristol this summer rather than wait till January. Says a move should happen soon.
That Murphy turned down PL options as Bristol offered him a quicker path to first team football rather than playing PL2 football. |
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greenshoots
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 08 Jun 2021 Location: Limerick Status: Offline Points: 451 |
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Points taken lads, a couple of terribly badly made points (I'm trying to get actual work done while distracted on here and doing both badly it seems lol). I did check Frosinone on Soccerway but mistakenly saw Serie B listed about them, didnt realise they were Serie A. Never heard of them and I'd consider myself a soccer fan... Devoy as well was a bad example, but I was trying to highlight a player who started in LOI, was one of the top players here and got himself a decent career in the UK. I'm no LOI champion either, havent been to a game in years so it's not that I am pushing LOI over anything else. A poster mentioned Cullen and O'Brien going to Europe. Yes this did, but they went over from UK clubs. They didnt make the jump from not getting a game with Rovers straight to a european first team With Brexit happening, obviously we arent seeing our 15-17 year old kids going to the UK anymore. I am merely questioning whether going to european clubs is a better option than staying at home and getting first team games in LOI and then moving on. No one can say whether Heffernan was better off going to Milan or not, of course it's all hypothetical. The lad is so good he'd probably have made it anyway.... My opinion would be, in general, home clubs might be better compared to random clubs abroad. And I'll be following Frisinone very closely this season now lads ok!!
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greenshoots
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I also wasnt aware of the links with Ferizaj and Frosinone, seems like the news broke on Aug 3rd. Has the move gone through?
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BrendanD88
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Imagine giving off about an Irish lad joining a Serie A club over a lower league English side in a year or two! Give your head a wobble. |
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Badgersboys9
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kevin100
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I think your original post using Devoy in League 2 as your template of a player better off than going to a Serie A club gave staunch ignorant Englander vibes which is what caused the reaction to it!! I do agree with you think in general Irish players staying at home and getting exposure to men’s football/environments here first is a positive. McNally,Negru,O’Brien,Emakhu,Phillips,Armstrong etc are all recent endorsements of this definitely have benefited from it. Abankwah another example. A handful of appearances for Udinese but you have to factor in he’s playing for a top flight club and is very much a first team squad member already for them. Lads will point to Melia or Curtis let’s say and retort if Ferguson didn’t leave early he wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing at Brighton now. Of course they are correct but Curtis and Melia being arguably the best prospects of their respective year groups like Ferguson are exceptions not the rule! Even Ferguson himself got that exposure for Bohs a year or two before moving across and it was evident early he was better than 18s/21s football when he moved over.
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greenshoots
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Adam Murphy at Pats is reported to be turning down moves to Premier League clubs, with a view that a move to Bristol City would give him a better chance of game tine. So wouldnt Ferizaj be better off doing something similar rather than taking a jump straight to a Serie A team? We're all hoping that some of quality young fellas we have coming through can actually make it in the pro world. I'm just hoping they dont take bad advice and make career moves at this stage that dont help their career. Ferizaj could get on well in Frosinone but he could also go there, stagnate in some underage or reserve team setup and not start getting the 1st team games he might get elsewhere.
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What other options is he turning down?
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John Nice
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That's a sweeping generalisation tbh and of the examples you listed, Armstrong only played 6 times for Rovers reserves before going over to QPR at 17, Jake O'Brien played a grand total of 9 times for Cork City's senior team while Negru played 6 games for Shels seniors. Abankwah played 9 times for St Pats before being loaned back after signing for Udinese just after his 18th birthday. We really have yet to see what effect Brexit has had, as the likes of Heffernan. Zefi, McJannet, Moore etc are still too young to gauge whether or not their early moves abroad have been beneficial or not.
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greenshoots
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as per the Indo today..... "the Bristol City option has proved too good to turn down, with
Nigel Pearson’s charges offering Murphy a long-term contract and a
viable route to first-team involvement soon – that was more attractive
to the player than joining a Premier League club where he would be
consigned to their U-21 team for a long period." I'd question how one of Pats brightest talents was left with just a few months on his contract. Surely he should have been tied down to a long term contract a while ago and they'd be in a position to get a decent fee for him.
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BrendanD88
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He could stagnate at any club he moves too whether that be a Serie A side or an English conference side! He’s showing a bit of ambition and can only be commended, trying to paint the move as a negative says more about you than him.
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Badgersboys9
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Wtf is a staunch ignorant Englander?
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kevin100
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Exposure to football and environments meaning not just games but training every day with men/in senior squads. It’s a massive benefit and I don’t think it’s a generalisation at all think the above are all recent and decent examples of how it can benefit them. Mcjannet came through the English system (he’s English born) so don’t know what relevance he has to young players in LOI environments. Zefi and Heffernan moved early. I mentioned factoring in Udinese with Abankwah think you have to factor in how hard it is to breakthrough at top clubs like AC/Inter Milan,or “Prem” clubs nowadays. Prem clubs no matter where you come from are hard to break into for young players.
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greenshoots
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Oh yeah, I missed that! staunch ignorant Englander vibes!!! Now that's a ridiculous comment... I'm an avid follower of the irish underage setup. Apology demanded lol
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kevin100
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I sincerely apologise!! Was just saying the example you used likely gave that off to a few posters! Could see the point you were making and as I said above I in many ways agree with it.
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greenshoots
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apology accepted! Maybe some of the more 'learned colleagues' on here might help, but if we take the case of Mason Melia, how do Pats make sure they are in a position to get a decent fee for the lad in a few years? The simple view is to offer a break the bank contract offer now for 5 years for example. Is this what they will do? Will the players advisors only let him sign a 1 or 2 year deal. He is 16 years old in exactly a months time (22nd Sept) so presumably he'll get some sort of contract from him on the day of his birthday..... It has always intrigued me how badly LOI clubs seem to fare when getting their players bought by UK clubs predominantly. Even with Heffernan who went to Milan and who's now gone to Newcastle for little/minimal fee, any sell on clause Cork had will turn out to be worth nothing. So clubs thinking they are onto a winner by selling a player for 50 grand but getting 15% of a sell on clause aren't necessarily gonna see big bucks at the end of the day either. I do appreciate it does work out in some cases, as with Even Ferguson where Bohs will see 10-15 million coming their way in the next few years....
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