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Best underage performers that earned themselves breakthroughs this season

Jason Knight (7/10) 6 goals and an assist for Derby and I'd say ready for a senior call up already 

Dara O'Shea (8/10) likely to be a premier league player next season and has been very good this season, I'd say ready for a senior call up.

Jayson Molumby (6/10) played a lot of games this season for Millwall but dropped off of late. Very nearly ready for the seniors.

Michael Obafemi (5/10) getting some Premier league game time and has a couple of goals. Needs to get more game time before he's ready for the senior team so hopefully a loan next season.

Aaron Connolly (8/10) has been starting games in the PL or at least comes off the bench. Performances are getting better each game and I'd say should be good for a senior call.

Conor Masterson (5/10) has had a great breakthrough season and it getting better the more he plays. Probably the best young defender we have with the ball to feet. Not ready for senior call but will be if he keeps progress up next season 

Nathan Collins (5/10) started games for Stoke early on but has been struggling of late but still achieved so much as he's so young. Not ready for a senior call yet.

Mark Travers (3/10) started the year strong but hasn't been seen since, a loan move next season will do him the world of good. 

Will Smallbone (7/10) has been getting some really good PL game time and has started a few games too. Very good on the ball and should be a consideration for the seniors very soon.

Adam Idah (6/10) coming off the bench more and more of late and looks really tidy. If he adds a few more starts and goals he'll be good in the championship next year. Not ready for a senior call yet but may very well be next year 

Troy Parrott (4/10) has seen some first team PL games with Tottenham, very likely a loan spell next year in the championship. Should be a massive year next year. 

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Can't agree with Obafemi needing a loan, he's in the match day squad and sees game time most of the time now, he needs to stay in not take a step back on a loan. He's not a player they'd be looking to send out hopefully either. 
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Originally posted by Scissors Kick Scissors Kick wrote:

Can't agree with Obafemi needing a loan, he's in the match day squad and sees game time most of the time now, he needs to stay in not take a step back on a loan. He's not a player they'd be looking to send out hopefully either. 

Agree and with 5 subs a game next year he’s going to get a lot of opportunities if he can stay fit. 
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Best underage performers that earned themselves breakthroughs this season

Jason Knight (7/10) 6 goals and an assist for Derby and I'd say ready for a senior call up already 

Dara O'Shea (8/10) likely to be a premier league player next season and has been very good this season, I'd say ready for a senior call up.

Jayson Molumby (6/10) played a lot of games this season for Millwall but dropped off of late. Very nearly ready for the seniors.

Michael Obafemi (5/10) getting some Premier league game time and has a couple of goals. Needs to get more game time before he's ready for the senior team so hopefully a loan next season.

Aaron Connolly (8/10) has been starting games in the PL or at least comes off the bench. Performances are getting better each game and I'd say should be good for a senior call.

Conor Masterson (5/10) has had a great breakthrough season and it getting better the more he plays. Probably the best young defender we have with the ball to feet. Not ready for senior call but will be if he keeps progress up next season 

Nathan Collins (5/10) started games for Stoke early on but has been struggling of late but still achieved so much as he's so young. Not ready for a senior call yet.

Mark Travers (3/10) started the year strong but hasn't been seen since, a loan move next season will do him the world of good. 

Will Smallbone (7/10) has been getting some really good PL game time and has started a few games too. Very good on the ball and should be a consideration for the seniors very soon.

Adam Idah (6/10) coming off the bench more and more of late and looks really tidy. If he adds a few more starts and goals he'll be good in the championship next year. Not ready for a senior call yet but may very well be next year 

Troy Parrott (4/10) has seen some first team PL games with Tottenham, very likely a loan spell next year in the championship. Should be a massive year next year. 

Well done, Left Foot. Excellent reference point, good unbiased analysis. 

Think it is quite harsh on Jayson Molumby. Millwall fans regard him as one of their players of the season. Troy got 0 game time for Spurs so I wouldn't be so harsh either or just not have him in the list. Otherwise I agree with the rest.
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Anyone know the situation with O’Connor & Afolabi, neither travelled with the Celtic squad. You’d have hoped they’d be pushing for the first team this season

Connell did but not sure if he got game time.

Coffey is another you’d hope to be pushing
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Okoflex also, he has been on the bench previously.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Okoflex also, he has been on the bench previously.


Is he fully committed?
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His most recent international appearance was for our under-19s so it looks like Ireland has won over England and Nigeria for his allegiance. He's 18 now and needs to kick on.
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I actually think if Bournemouth went down that it might be good for Gavin kilkenny(who is another promising player) and Mark Travers. I say they have a better chance of seeing more game time and both still very young
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Best underage performers that earned themselves breakthroughs this season

Jason Knight (7/10) 6 goals and an assist for Derby and I'd say ready for a senior call up already 

Dara O'Shea (8/10) likely to be a premier league player next season and has been very good this season, I'd say ready for a senior call up.

Jayson Molumby (6/10) played a lot of games this season for Millwall but dropped off of late. Very nearly ready for the seniors.

Michael Obafemi (5/10) getting some Premier league game time and has a couple of goals. Needs to get more game time before he's ready for the senior team so hopefully a loan next season.

Aaron Connolly (8/10) has been starting games in the PL or at least comes off the bench. Performances are getting better each game and I'd say should be good for a senior call.

Conor Masterson (5/10) has had a great breakthrough season and it getting better the more he plays. Probably the best young defender we have with the ball to feet. Not ready for senior call but will be if he keeps progress up next season 

Nathan Collins (5/10) started games for Stoke early on but has been struggling of late but still achieved so much as he's so young. Not ready for a senior call yet.

Mark Travers (3/10) started the year strong but hasn't been seen since, a loan move next season will do him the world of good. 

Will Smallbone (7/10) has been getting some really good PL game time and has started a few games too. Very good on the ball and should be a consideration for the seniors very soon.

Adam Idah (6/10) coming off the bench more and more of late and looks really tidy. If he adds a few more starts and goals he'll be good in the championship next year. Not ready for a senior call yet but may very well be next year 

Troy Parrott (4/10) has seen some first team PL games with Tottenham, very likely a loan spell next year in the championship. Should be a massive year next year. 


The fickleness of some of those ratings is amusing. If you'd made it a few weeks ago, I'd wager that Molumby would have got an 8 and Smallbone a 5, but based on the fact that one has got a few games over the last month and they other hasn't the ratings are completely turned around... Parrott's rating is absolutely bizarre too, in what world is a 17/18 year getting minutes in the EPL only worth 4/10? That's an absolutely huge achievement!


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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His most recent international appearance was for our under-19s so it looks like Ireland has won over England and Nigeria for his allegiance. He's 18 now and needs to kick on.

I think we won to the extent that we're the only ones still interested.

Connell was the only one of the five Irish lads to make the 25 man squad for France. He hasn't seen a minute of football in the two games out there. The other four didn't even make the 25 and haven't a hope of playing for Celtic any time soon.

Celtic have an incredible ability to sign promising young players and turn them into nobodies. Throw the man management/ player development disaster that is Neil Lennon into the mix and you can forget about these lads for a good while, unless they can get loan moves.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His most recent international appearance was for our under-19s so it looks like Ireland has won over England and Nigeria for his allegiance. He's 18 now and needs to kick on.


I think we won to the extent that we're the only ones still interested.

Connell was the only one of the five Irish lads to make the 25 man squad for France. He hasn't seen a minute of football in the two games out there. The other four didn't even make the 25 and haven't a hope of playing for Celtic any time soon.

Celtic have an incredible ability to sign promising young players and turn them into nobodies. Throw the man management/ player development disaster that is Neil Lennon into the mix and you can forget about these lads for a good while, unless they can get loan moves.


Totally agree with you about Lennon, he came in and won a League last year that was already won, got handed the League this season, as well as Rangers falling apart.

He’s terrified of Rangers

Watched them and Celtic play this tournament and Rangers are streets ahead at the moment

He definitely won’t give our lads a chance and what were promising players will probably find themselves back here or at lower league clubs in the uk

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Whatever you do do't say this to Celtic fans LOL They don't realise that Lincoln city are becoming a more attractive proposition than going up north because of how they are handling their youth. Which is basically a blackhole for promising players. You send a classy youngster and they give you back a year one plumbing apprentice.  I critiqued Lennon basically saying outright I think he is a Charlatan average Joe manager who actually belongs at Hibs and the like and they went into meltdown. It is just a fact? you sound like a hun rar rar rar LOL
Their underage system is basically non existent now. They have no league and the guy who does their loans and player development is developmentally challenged.
I think there must have been a mistake on his CV.
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Whatever you do do't say this to Celtic fans LOL They don't realise that Lincoln city are becoming a more attractive proposition than going up north because of how they are handling their youth. Which is basically a blackhole for promising players. You send a classy youngster and they give you back a year one plumbing apprentice.  I critiqued Lennon basically saying outright I think he is a Charlatan average Joe manager who actually belongs at Hibs and the like and they went into meltdown. It is just a fact? you sound like a hun rar rar rar LOL
Their underage system is basically non existent now. They have no league and the guy who does their loans and player development is developmentally challenged.
I think there must have been a mistake on his CV.

Lennon is a "black hole" when it comes to bringing through young players, Celtic certainly is not. Dembele, Edouard, Tierney etc all point to the fact that Celtic can be a brilliant destination for talented young players if you've got a manager prepared to give them a chance.
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Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Whatever you do do't say this to Celtic fans LOL They don't realise that Lincoln city are becoming a more attractive proposition than going up north because of how they are handling their youth. Which is basically a blackhole for promising players. You send a classy youngster and they give you back a year one plumbing apprentice.  I critiqued Lennon basically saying outright I think he is a Charlatan average Joe manager who actually belongs at Hibs and the like and they went into meltdown. It is just a fact? you sound like a hun rar rar rar LOL
Their underage system is basically non existent now. They have no league and the guy who does their loans and player development is developmentally challenged.
I think there must have been a mistake on his CV.


I’m a massive Celtic fan, and like a lot, I think Lennon is a sooofer

Plus the board are only interested in lining their own pockets, just watch the lack of signings this season

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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His most recent international appearance was for our under-19s so it looks like Ireland has won over England and Nigeria for his allegiance. He's 18 now and needs to kick on.


I think we won to the extent that we're the only ones still interested.

Connell was the only one of the five Irish lads to make the 25 man squad for France. He hasn't seen a minute of football in the two games out there. The other four didn't even make the 25 and haven't a hope of playing for Celtic any time soon.

Celtic have an incredible ability to sign promising young players and turn them into nobodies. Throw the man management/ player development disaster that is Neil Lennon into the mix and you can forget about these lads for a good while, unless they can get loan moves.


It's actually the total opposite.
Tierney
Wanyama
Forster
Dembele
Virgil van Dijk
and many others too.

Many promising players never make the breakthrough expected of them.

The vast majority of players playing for Celtic are young players, and the ones who don't are simply not good enough.

I also don't get how Lennon is terrified of Rangers? Celtic finsihed 13 points ahead of Rangers, and the if the league wasn't abandoned, that gap would have been bigger.



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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Whatever you do do't say this to Celtic fans LOL They don't realise that Lincoln city are becoming a more attractive proposition than going up north because of how they are handling their youth. Which is basically a blackhole for promising players. You send a classy youngster and they give you back a year one plumbing apprentice.  I critiqued Lennon basically saying outright I think he is a Charlatan average Joe manager who actually belongs at Hibs and the like and they went into meltdown. It is just a fact? you sound like a hun rar rar rar LOL
Their underage system is basically non existent now. They have no league and the guy who does their loans and player development is developmentally challenged.
I think there must have been a mistake on his CV.


Lennon is a "black hole" when it comes to bringing through young players, Celtic certainly is not. Dembele, Edouard, Tierney etc all point to the fact that Celtic can be a brilliant destination for talented young players if you've got a manager prepared to give them a chance.


This myth was dismissed previously, not sure why your continuing with it.



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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Whatever you do do't say this to Celtic fans LOL They don't realise that Lincoln city are becoming a more attractive proposition than going up north because of how they are handling their youth. Which is basically a blackhole for promising players. You send a classy youngster and they give you back a year one plumbing apprentice.  I critiqued Lennon basically saying outright I think he is a Charlatan average Joe manager who actually belongs at Hibs and the like and they went into meltdown. It is just a fact? you sound like a hun rar rar rar LOL
Their underage system is basically non existent now. They have no league and the guy who does their loans and player development is developmentally challenged.
I think there must have been a mistake on his CV.


Lennon is a "black hole" when it comes to bringing through young players, Celtic certainly is not. Dembele, Edouard, Tierney etc all point to the fact that Celtic can be a brilliant destination for talented young players if you've got a manager prepared to give them a chance.


This myth was dismissed previously, not sure why your continuing with it.




Because it's not a myth, Lennon does not have a good record bringing through youth prospects. In fact he's hopeless enough at it.
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