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Nialler
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1490 |
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I know he has played but he was banging goals in for Utd and West Ham while games did happen and he wasn't selected in any teams over the last like 2 years. He is very very close to senior football like. Far closer and likely far more talented than Cassidy and a couple of others. very exciting player. Hope we manage the situation right.
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EireHammer1
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Given West Ham's inability to find a decent centre forward (Antonio not original a CF) and Antonio's hamstrings being so injury prone Odubeko could get a few appearances this season. Hopefully as said above he has no commitment issues to us.
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JohnSwift
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It’s at times like this that we could do with Noel King’s expertise and charisma to convince Odubeko. |
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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We are very proactive when it comes to sourcing and capping dual-eligible players across all age groups. For all Noel King's myriad faults, he stocked up on English-born players who weren't nearly as good as Odubeko just because they happened to be eligible for us. We're very aggressive in that regard. I just cannot envision a scenario where a player as highly rated as Odubeko would've been left out in favour of other players - even if we have an abundance of highly rated forwards across the age groups. I'm curious as to what other ways the situation can be managed aside from simply calling up the players? Call up a player who has never made a senior appearance directly into the senior squad? That's not to make any inferences about what Odubeko's thinking BTW. But if he's inclined to represent England, and is good enough, IDK how that can possibly be counteracted TBH. Hopefully he feels Irish and wants to play for us but the fact we're even having this conversation is a bit worrying. His situation is similar to Armstrong Okoflex and he accepted a call-up quite readily for England, while his father was noncommittal about his son representing us: https://www.balls.ie/football/irish-players-tug-of-war-406280
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8366 |
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Id be getting him involved now for the 21s
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Fozz
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2249 |
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He's way underdeveloped for that age-group, only turning 16 next month. Kenny has always talked about fast-tracking the best talent through the age-groups but 17's is fine for this lad for this year and let him develop.
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Scissors Kick
500 Club la la la Joined: 10 Jan 2017 Status: Offline Points: 726 |
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I think zizu is saying this guy will have options and let's give him the better ones.
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Nialler
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1490 |
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Thankfully Zefi's only option is Albania I think. With Odubeko I think England and def Nigeria are possibilities.
On another note Evan Ferguson made his Brighton under 23's debut a couple of days ago. I thought that deal had fallen through but turns out his mother is English. Another one we have to worry about (This one is doubtful but I did laugh when I red that)
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kevin100
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How is Odubeko eligible for England?? Born and raised in Ireland to Nigerian parents??
Would it not be hidious to not play for either Ireland or Nigeria? As for Evan Ferguson born and raised in Ireland so I doubt we have anything to worry about there.
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Scissors Kick
500 Club la la la Joined: 10 Jan 2017 Status: Offline Points: 726 |
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He'll have an Italian option in four years no ?
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Scissors Kick
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Lived there since he was 12. I think he'll turn down a call up to us.
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kevin100
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Zefis parents are moving to Italy with him and Albania’s proximity to Italy would make it a slight cause for concern perhaps.
Would be fascinated to see will he be in our underage squads for the foreseeable future. Edited by kevin100 - 20 Jan 2021 at 2:21am |
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9fingers
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Evan Ferguson, are you for real??
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Fozz
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2249 |
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Lads generally play for the countries they have grown up in.
People talk about parents etc. but teenagers are mostly influenced by peers. We have seen this work out this way more often than not. The exceptions being when they are not good enough for that country and so they go play for a lesser nation they are eligible for. Or have been involved with that other nation the whole time. Zefi is very much an Irish kid so I see no issues, in the rare outcome that he converts youth form to senior level (most don't...read back though this thread for many examples). Odubeko is much closer to International football and there are no reasons to think he'll play for anyone bar Ireland so far if he even gets that far. |
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10 Box
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He was playing senior football last season - if he is good enough there should be no issues with him being picked for the 21's.
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IrishCanadian
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 29 Jun 2019 Status: Offline Points: 219 |
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Yes. Why not? Wales and the north have both done it recently and Wales has easily been stronger than us. Our squad is sh*te, I don’t know why people think we’re above calling up youth players when better sides are doing it. USA does it, Canada does it. Basically every non-top side does it. Ethan Ampadu was eligible for us and his bloody dad even played for us. Wales had him in at 16. Wales have secured several very talented dual nationals by getting them in at 16-17 and showing them a setup with a good pathway for them. They offered something the likes of England couldn’t offer. Why are we not doing the same? Instead we’ve been handing debuts to 30 year olds and slowly integrating 25 years and calling them young. Our handling of it has been a joke. Create an enticing set up that makes young talented players invested in it and wanting to play in it. We need to help them as much as they are helping us. Just doing nothing and saying well if he feels Irish he’ll play for us isn’t how it works. And is exactly why we’ve lost the best talents and our set up is complete sh*t. Choose the biggest talents and get them up the age groups. Say Joe Hodge or whoever you deem worthy, England is offering him his age group. So all we do is the same? No, create an actual plan for him, show him the progression we’re offering is better for his career. Show them we care more about them. Give them a reason to feel connected to Ireland. Wales have done it and it’s worked tremendously. Someone like Hodge or Kelleher or others, are at top clubs. Clubs that are about 100x better than Ireland. So why do we need to wait for them to play for City and Liverpool before getting them into the senior squad? Wales called up Levitt, the North has called up Galbraith on the back of PL u23s matches. Manchester United is far better than Wales or the North so it’d be stupid to require them to be in the first team. If we’ve got a lad killing it in the PL u23s, get them into the senior squad. Get them integrated early. It’ll benefit us in the long run and it’ll benefit the player too. Getting exposure of a senior international cap at a young age and a good performance suddenly has better prospects on their door. Better loan offers or more first team football at a parent club.
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mully_85
Davey Langan Joined: 15 Jul 2011 Location: Omagh Status: Offline Points: 797 |
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is Parrott that much further on in his development, or have more potential than Odudeko? Troy got a senior cap when he was on the bench for Spurs, this kid is making the bench for West Ham, and seems like a great prospect but hasnt featured even for the 21s
whatever way you look at it is very strange, and its pretty uncomfortable to think about but if he was white and born to Irish parents there is no doubt things would be a lot different.
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mully_85
Davey Langan Joined: 15 Jul 2011 Location: Omagh Status: Offline Points: 797 |
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brilliant post... right on the money
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