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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Regarding Naj Razi

It's a great move if he gets into the team soon and starts making a name for himself at that level. Be sh*t if he ends up in the Underage team and we don't really hear about him again for sometime, a bit like Zefi (i know he had an injury along way too).
 


They are getting decent compensation for the player €450k compared to what English clubs are usually willing to give anyways. 

The more clubs from other nations willing to buy our young players for decent fees the more competition,the more they will go for in future. When demand goes up so does price and all that! 

For the player a progressive ambitious club making strides and have spent big in the January transfer window too to help them push for promotion. 

Como wouldn’t be spending that money on him to park him in the U19s he will likely join the 1st team squad.


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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

I follow the progress of these guys just as much as anyone. In my opinion, he would have been better off sticking with an English based club. Am I not entitled to that opinion?
I don't buy into the notion that some lads have that isnt it amazing for a club in Italy, Germany, Spain etc to show interest in our players. Cathal Heffernan went over to Italy and ended up in the UK. Zefi's progress seems to have stalled at Inter. Liam Kerrigan was injured (yes I knew that!) but he's now loaned out to a Serie C team and for a fella that's nearly 24, he's hardly likely to be making too many waves if that's his standard.

Matthew Moore headed over to Hoffenheim from Cork, Razi is on the way to Como. It may work out for these lads, but I'd be worried that they get lost in underage setups and some of our most promising talents dont come to fruition...


He's 17, he can't go to England until next January. Clearly he doesn't want to wait around & miss a year of development at a higher level.

Moore is 16.
Heffernan was 17 when he went to Milan, & got a year of top flight coaching that he wouldn't have got had he stayed home.

The reality of the situation is if these lads want to maximise their talent they still have to leave between 16-18 because we don't have the facilities/coaches to help them.

Ferguson wouldn't have had the 12 months he's just had if he'd stayed at Bohs until he was 18.


Not sure I'd agree with that. Playing first team football in Ireland at 17 is more of a benefit that playing U18 in the UK. Did Sam Curtis no harm. Every situation is different of course. Not sure how much gametime Razi would have got for Rovers this season so probably best that he has gone now. 


yeah every situation is different alright which is fair enough. i do think that english clubs , particularly near the top end of the PL get a bad wrap these days. Academy coaching is excellent in england IMO, the real issue is clubs hoarding players for too long. Really shouldnt be spending more than 2 years playing u21s. Youd often see 22 year olds playing u23s a few years back which was total nonsense.
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Joe Hodge to QPR. Loan Deal
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

I follow the progress of these guys just as much as anyone. In my opinion, he would have been better off sticking with an English based club. Am I not entitled to that opinion?
I don't buy into the notion that some lads have that isnt it amazing for a club in Italy, Germany, Spain etc to show interest in our players. Cathal Heffernan went over to Italy and ended up in the UK. Zefi's progress seems to have stalled at Inter. Liam Kerrigan was injured (yes I knew that!) but he's now loaned out to a Serie C team and for a fella that's nearly 24, he's hardly likely to be making too many waves if that's his standard.

Matthew Moore headed over to Hoffenheim from Cork, Razi is on the way to Como. It may work out for these lads, but I'd be worried that they get lost in underage setups and some of our most promising talents dont come to fruition...


He's 17, he can't go to England until next January. Clearly he doesn't want to wait around & miss a year of development at a higher level.

Moore is 16.
Heffernan was 17 when he went to Milan, & got a year of top flight coaching that he wouldn't have got had he stayed home.

The reality of the situation is if these lads want to maximise their talent they still have to leave between 16-18 because we don't have the facilities/coaches to help them.

Ferguson wouldn't have had the 12 months he's just had if he'd stayed at Bohs until he was 18.


Not sure I'd agree with that. Playing first team football in Ireland at 17 is more of a benefit that playing U18 in the UK. Did Sam Curtis no harm. Every situation is different of course. Not sure how much gametime Razi would have got for Rovers this season so probably best that he has gone now. 


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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

I follow the progress of these guys just as much as anyone. In my opinion, he would have been better off sticking with an English based club. Am I not entitled to that opinion?
I don't buy into the notion that some lads have that isnt it amazing for a club in Italy, Germany, Spain etc to show interest in our players. Cathal Heffernan went over to Italy and ended up in the UK. Zefi's progress seems to have stalled at Inter. Liam Kerrigan was injured (yes I knew that!) but he's now loaned out to a Serie C team and for a fella that's nearly 24, he's hardly likely to be making too many waves if that's his standard.

Matthew Moore headed over to Hoffenheim from Cork, Razi is on the way to Como. It may work out for these lads, but I'd be worried that they get lost in underage setups and some of our most promising talents dont come to fruition...


He's 17, he can't go to England until next January. Clearly he doesn't want to wait around & miss a year of development at a higher level.

Moore is 16.
Heffernan was 17 when he went to Milan, & got a year of top flight coaching that he wouldn't have got had he stayed home.

The reality of the situation is if these lads want to maximise their talent they still have to leave between 16-18 because we don't have the facilities/coaches to help them.

Ferguson wouldn't have had the 12 months he's just had if he'd stayed at Bohs until he was 18.
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Once they get to the point of joining these kinds of clubs, if they're good enough they'll make it anywhere. If they don't have the head for a trip abroad then there's no hope for them anyway.

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I follow the progress of these guys just as much as anyone. In my opinion, he would have been better off sticking with an English based club. Am I not entitled to that opinion?
I don't buy into the notion that some lads have that isnt it amazing for a club in Italy, Germany, Spain etc to show interest in our players. Cathal Heffernan went over to Italy and ended up in the UK. Zefi's progress seems to have stalled at Inter. Liam Kerrigan was injured (yes I knew that!) but he's now loaned out to a Serie C team and for a fella that's nearly 24, he's hardly likely to be making too many waves if that's his standard.

Matthew Moore headed over to Hoffenheim from Cork, Razi is on the way to Como. It may work out for these lads, but I'd be worried that they get lost in underage setups and some of our most promising talents dont come to fruition...
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Regarding Naj Razi

It's a great move if he gets into the team soon and starts making a name for himself at that level. Be sh*t if he ends up in the Underage team and we don't really hear about him again for sometime, a bit like Zefi (i know he had an injury along way too).

Yeah you would hope that part of the reason for him choosing Como is that he isn't stuck in a 18's squad like Zefi was at Milan.
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Regarding Naj Razi

It's a great move if he gets into the team soon and starts making a name for himself at that level. Be sh*t if he ends up in the Underage team and we don't really hear about him again for sometime, a bit like Zefi (i know he had an injury along way too).

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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

It’s not like he’ll be playing alongside Henry and Fabregas ffs LOL

He was linked with Arsenal and those connections could pay off if they’re still interested when he’s legally allowed sign for them.

There’s some well known, and the very famous teamsn in Serie B scattered all over the league.

Really? 

And thanks for the for that factoid.
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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by 84ccfc84 84ccfc84 wrote:

amusing how well people take moves to these 2nd tiers. cesc/henry dynamic is a plus obviously but the level of serie b is quite low. bit of a disappointing move 

Your easily amused - a progressive club with good coaches who should be playing in the top tier next month. Good move. Much better than going to a factory club & being turned onto an academy drone.


people fall over themselves whenever they see irish lads go to italy. its no different to a PL u21 or a champ first team. this kid had some of the best academies in the world after him. hope it works out but really dont understand the fawning over moving to serie b. abankwah looked an outstanding prospect when he moved to italy, charlton of league 1 fame dropped him after 3 games... food for thought.

Who is falling over themselves? Big clubs aren't necessarily the best for producing players and if you honestly think PL 21's football is on a par with Serie B then there's no helping you.
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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Moving to Como hasnt helped Liam Kerrigan, has it? Gone on loan to a Serie C side. Posters here making the assumption almost that Raji's going straight into the Como 1st team and will be playing against AC Milan and Juve pretty soon.... that's a big step lads!

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Good move, better than moving some massive club where he will be lost.

good players dont get lost 
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