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Denis Irwin
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Euro 96 was the last one IMO
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Trap junior
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The film documentary doesn;t really answer some questions the viewer may have. 1. Where did Napoli get the money to buy M A R A D O N A? 2. What happened in 1988? 3. Did Napoli fans lose some affection for him after the 1990 world cup defeat of Italy? 4. What happened in Sevilla and hen onto his come back at USA 94. Why was he was singled out for a drugs test at USA '94? He is the only player I have ever seen to be walked off the pitch by a drugs tester in full public view. |
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Denis Irwin
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The Fat Tony types as far as I'm aware
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Trap junior
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Yeah I hazard a guess it was but then why blow the title in 1988 on purpose? Why would they take on bets that they wouldnt win the scudetto in 1987/88 seeing as they had the best player int he world at his peak at the time? Surely they were favourites. Also seeing as they were mafia they could sinply not pay out.
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sid waddell
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It's quite possible to cast an objective eye I don't believe it's a case of everything seeming better when you're young - that does happen, because it's human nature, but it also doesn't mean you can't cast an objective eye Like, no objective eye can say that the popular music scene now is remotely close to the quality or cultural significance of what was being produced in the 1980s, or back to the 1960s of 1970s for that matter, when I wasn't alive 1990 was the first World Cup I properly remember and it's precious to me for all sorts of reasons, but that hasn't fooled me into thinking it was a good World Cup in football terms - it wasn't - in football terms it was the worst World Cup of the television age, certainly up to that point it was However I think it was the last of the old school World Cups where everything was novelty The pop culture that surrounded the 1990 World Cup was amazing and that's what most people remember - and that only happened because the World Cup then was such a big deal, I'd been waiting three and a half years for it because I just missed the 1986 one in terms of real memory, which to this day I feel regretful, angry and cheated by But the pop culture that surrounds World Cups now is no big deal - the real pop culture or what remains of it now surrounds the club game Even by '94 this had gone somewhat because live television had already changed the game The truth is we'll almost certainly never have a World Cup like '86 or '82 again - those were different times and the World Cup meant simply meant more then than it does now The World Cup up to '86 was the pinnacle of football not just in terms of excitement but in terms of standard - tactical systems were nowhere near as advanced in the club game as they are now That began to change around the time of Sacchi's Milan - they were better than the West Germany team which won the World Cup, Capello's Milan were better than Brazil in '94 The best team in the world were no longer the team that won the World Cup, it was the team which won the European Cup In the old days the World Cup was the cutting edge of football tactics - it was a less globalised world, players generally played in their home leagues, teams would bring different styles, and the game was slower, therefore there was more time for playmakers Now, club tactics are so much more advanced, because they are finely tuned attacking systems which cannot happen at international level because there is no time to rehearse them - this is why Stephen Kenny has a big problem in what he is trying to do World Cups now are just more football in a sea of never ending football - that's why they're not as special Another thing that changed about major finals tournaments was the sense of local flavour, it has declined significantly - all the stadiums now are corporate lookalikes, all seater, they could be anywhere Another thing about '86 that makes it special was that what Maradona did was achieved in the greatest World Cup venue ever, the Azteca Stadium People invaded the pitch after the final, there was much more of a sense of realness about it all, like the crowds didn't seem nearly as corporate, nothing seemed as corporate and soulless Italy-Brazil 1982 was not just memorable because it was such a great match, but because of its setting, Sarria in Barcelona, a cauldron with flags and klaxons blaring and real supporters, not corporate types France-Portugal '84 was similar - even '88 in Germany was similar, in Italy in 1990, we saw the first of the soulless FIFA bowls - Bari and the Delle Alpi in Turin The novelty factor World Cups had in the 1970s and 1980s has actually moved to things like elections in politics now, which are way more exciting than they were in the 1980s and 1990s, they're media extravaganzas Edited by sid waddell - 27 Nov 2020 at 5:15pm |
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Statement: Maradona's second goal against Belgium in 1986 is the second greatest goal of all time
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It was a brilliant goal and is often overlooked because of the two v England in the quarters. I love the way he kept his balance after scoring the goal. The first goal was a lovely finish too. I looked the two of them up today on youtube. What a player. He really hit his peak at that World Cup.
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sid waddell
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We have a new subject for a documentary!
30 April 1980 saw the League of Ireland XI play Argentina for a second time, this time at the Estadio Monumental. On this occasion, a team that included Liam Buckley, Terry Eviston, Johnny Walsh and Tommy McConville lost 1–0 to a goal scored by Diego Maradona.
https://www.11v11.com/matches/argentina-v-league-of-ireland-30-april-1980-235861/ |
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When dribbling at top speed,the weight of his touch was incredible. It was in coordination with stride. He never broke stride. Each touch was perfectly placed for the next one. Unbelievable
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You’d just have to wonder how this was organised and where the €€ came from. Was it one game in South America or a mini tour. Edited by Dalymount79 - 27 Nov 2020 at 8:07pm |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Trap junior
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HERO 1986 on FIFA facebook live now
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It's the Star Wars effect. Grown men geting upset that the follw ups were childish. The originals were childish ffs, they're kids' movies! World Cups are definitely better when you're a kid especially the first you remember. Although the ones I went on the p1ss at were great as well tbf.
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sid waddell
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All football is childish It's escapism Football is supposed to bring out people's inner child, it's supposed to excite you If it doesn't, there's not much of a point to it
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sid waddell
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I've never seen anybody dominate a game of importance like Maradona dominated that game against Belgium Messi has come close on a few occasions The 10 minute highlights package with BBC commentary is always worth watching Some of John Motson's best ever commentary on it as well with lovely interjections from Jimmy Hill, the BBC at its very best - Jimmy Hill had a great World Cup in '86 Speaking of the BBC, the programme where Gary Lineker went to Argentina to meet Maradona in 2006 is on at 10pm tonight, I've already set record What I remember coming across in the programme was that even for Lineker, just getting to meet Maradona was a huge thrill, he has an almost child like sense of wonder at the prospect It seems everybody who ever met him feels the same in that regard It seems everybody who ever even saw him play in the flesh feels like this
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Speaking of points, that's quality missing it. None of what you said means that experiencing your fourth, fifth, sixt World Cup as an adult will have the same magic as when you're a child watching your first or even your second. Obviously, you'll still enjoy it. At times it will hopefully bring out your inner child. It's still not the same. That's all. It's generally not the quality of the games that will capture your attention at that age, it's the spectacle and the drama.
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sid waddell
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But how am I missing the point, whatever that is? The "point" apparently being made is that it's impossible to evaluate World Cups you experienced as a child compared to other World Cups - if that's not the attempted "point", I'm not sure what the point is That point is horsesh*t
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Denis Irwin
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For some reason if I could go back and see a WC it's always been the 86 WC. Was only a few months old at the time
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