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Enjoyed the part when he went to the Boca game 
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Enjoyed the part when he went to the Boca game 
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Rumours that the funeral worker who posed for a pic with the corpse of Maradona has been murdered. Hopefully that’s not true 
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Rumours that the funeral worker who posed for a pic with the corpse of Maradona has been murdered. Hopefully that’s not true 


Saw the video of what was supposedly his body being found. f**king hell
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They buried him super quick.  he only died 2 days ago.
I thought he would be on display for people to walk by for a few days
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they couldn’t control the crowds.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/sports/soccer/diego-maradona-champions-league.html

RORY SMITH ON SOCCER

All That We Have Lost

Part of Diego Maradona’s enduring appeal is testament to his genius. But part of it, too, speaks to a sense of nostalgia for what he represented.

There was a commotion over in the corner of the Krestovsky Stadium in St. Petersburg. A whole section of fans seemed to have turned its eyes away from the field and trained them instead on a glass-fronted suite. They stood on their seats and craned their necks and peered over shoulders to try to get a better view

The game itself was compelling sport: Lionel Messi and the rest of his Argentina teammates were toiling against Nigeria, when anything but a victory would have been enough to send them home in ignominy, eliminated from the 2018 World Cup in the group stage. Even that, though, could not compete with the show playing out in the suite.

Diego Maradona always had that ability, to draw the eye and to capture the attention. There were times when he resented it, when his magnetism seemed more a burden than a charm, when all he dreamed of was to be left alone, to be free of the adulation that had stalked him since he was 16.

This was not one of those times. Clad in a bright blue T-shirt, Maradona was playing to the crowd, toying with it, basking in his offstage spotlight. His every emotion, his every sensation, seemed heightened, exaggerated, performed. He rose from agony to ecstasy and all the way back. He raised his arms to the heavens, and sank in his seat. He unfurled a giant banner of himself. At one point he fell asleep. He cheered and groaned and then, later, he collapsed.

On his flight back to Moscow later that night, Maradona would send a WhatsApp voice note to a handful of Argentine journalists, blaming his state — and his display — on having drunk rather too much wine.

By then, though, darker theories were circulating. Smudges on the glass front of the executive box were taken to be evidence of cocaine. Social media examined just how often Maradona had rubbed his nose. An image taken a few days earlier, of Maradona seated on a private jet, with what appeared to be a bag of white powder next to him, circulated online.

Little of the comment expressed sympathy for a man who had struggled with drug addiction for much of his adult life. If anything, the abiding reaction was one of admiration: Here was Maradona living up to his image as a rock star, an unrepentant bad boy, the man who gave us the Hand of God proving that only the devil may care.

That, after all, is who Maradona was to vast swaths of the public. At the time of that game — and at the time of his death — the better part of two generations would have no real memory of having seen him play; at a rough estimate, nobody much under the age of 40, outside South America, would be able to draw upon recollection of what he was like at his peak.

That is not to say they would have been ignorant of what Maradona meant. They would have heard the stories and seen the videos of his goals and the photos of his brilliance. That, after all, is how legends work: They become lore, passed from one generation to another.

But they are still memories at one remove. Millions came to the Maradona story in his chaotic retirement years. For them, his brilliance on the field was the background. What they experienced, firsthand, were the drugs and the scandals. He became, in effect, the star of his own reality television show, a celebrity rather than an athlete: Maradona, rather than Diego. Just as Keith Richards is now more readily thought of for his hedonism than his music, to many Maradona was first and foremost an outlaw, not a player.

And rather than hampering his legend, it expanded it. There are those, among soccer’s greats, who almost single-handedly transformed the game, who heralded a shift between eras, who left the sport changed from when they found it. Johan Cruyff’s ideas and his ideals fundamentally altered our perception of how soccer should be played, our reckoning of beauty. Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have shifted the parameters of greatness, the window of what might be possible, our definitions of positions.

It is not to quarrel with his greatness to suggest that Maradona’s impact was different. He did not hint at the next step the game would take. He bent individual games to his will. He shaped whole teams and entire tournaments by his own hand, lifting the otherwise ordinary to greatness. He changed history, but he was no harbinger of the future.

He was, instead, the exact opposite. Maradona was the apotheosis of the game as it used to be. Almost everything in his story is redolent of a lost age, and barely any of it would have been possible even a few years after his retirement. He stayed at his first club, Argentinos Juniors, for five years. Despite a couple of attempts, unlike almost any Argentine teenage sensation of the last 20 years, he was not spirited away to Europe at the first opportunity.

When he did leave, it was for Boca Juniors, because at that stage South American clubs could still attract high-caliber talent. When Maradona did finally arrive in Europe, first at Barcelona and then at Napoli, neither club did all it might have to protect their prized asset, to help him cope with all that confronted him. The best years of his career came in Naples, not at one of the world’s established superpowers but at an underperforming club in a chaotic, downtrodden city.

Most of all, though, the way he played would soon become all but extinct. Maradona was the embodiment of Argentina’s pibe ideal — as Jonathan Wilson described him in The Guardian, he was the fulfillment of a prophecy written three decades before — a free spirit, a creature of pure imagination.

He was an autodidact, rather than a product of intense coaching. He was allowed to interpret the game as he wished — albeit in the face of a level of brutality that is also no longer feasible — rather than constrained by a defined role in a regimented tactical scheme. He was, in that sense, the last of the great individuals. That only magnifies his status. Maradona was not a bridge between eras. He was the zenith, the climax, the end.

All of that is bound up in the way he was viewed long after his retirement, as the memories of what he could do on the field started to fade, as successive generations came to him through well-worn stories and grainy YouTube footage.

Interest in Maradona has, if anything, only grown the more time has passed. Emir Kusturica released a documentary on him in 2008, and Asif Kapadia a decade later. Manu Chao and Calle 13 reference him in song. The archive of books that tell his story will only continue to grow. Like Cruyff and George Best, soccer’s other great rebels, Maradona cuts a far more compelling figure to those who never saw him than does Pelé or Franz Beckenbauer or Eusebio.

Part of that, of course, is testament to his genius. But part of it, too, speaks to a sense of nostalgia for what he represented. The outlaw figure that Maradona became turned him into an embodiment of that lost age, one in which soccer was less militarized and less predictable and less corporate and less clean-cut, one in which the individual was not necessarily subsumed into the collective, one in which heroes could be flawed and troubled and human in a way they can no longer be. His memory is entwined with a nostalgia for all that, all that has been lost.

Maradona, though he did not know it, served as midwife to that change. In 1987, at the height of his fame, his Napoli team was drawn to face Real Madrid in the first round of the European Cup. It was a mouthwatering matchup: the champion of Italy against the champion of Spain, the Neapolitan forward line of Maradona, Bruno Giordano and Careca — the Ma-Gi-Ca — against the Real of Emilio Butragueño and his Quinta del Buitre.

Silvio Berlusconi, the owner of A.C. Milan, greeted the draw with horror. Why on earth would soccer allow this to happen, he thought: the game of the year tossed away in the first round of a competition, when it might make a suitable final, a showpiece around which to build the season.

Berlusconi tasked Alex Fynn, then working with the advertising agency Saatchi & Saatchi, to work on a concept for what he called the European Television League, in which games like this would not only be more common, but saved until the later rounds. It would prove to be the idea that resulted, five years later, in the formation of the Champions League, and the dawn of the new soccer.

That soccer, as it turned out, would not only not have space for Maradona the player, it would not be able to accommodate Maradona the idea. The concentration of power in the hands of a few superclubs and the rush of money into the sport would set off an arms race in tactics and coaching and recruitment. Within a few years, it would rid the game of its wildness and its improvisation and its renegade streak.

Maradona, and all that he represented, would be consigned to the past. He would, in his later years, come to be an avatar for soccer as it once was, to inspire a nostalgia for all that we have lost. He meant so much to so many — even those who had no memory of him — because he stood as a symbol of the culmination, the apex, of what it used to be.

The Procession

This season, as it happens, is doing a pretty good job of fulfilling Berlusconi’s image of precisely what a European Television League would look like. Four games into the Champions League group stage, and the domination of the major leagues and the superpowers has all but stripped the competition of drama.

The group stages are often — unfairly, in most cases — held up as a caution against the idea of a European Super League. They prove, the theory goes, how dull and processional this tournament would become if it were the basis of the season, rather than an addition to the regular rhythm of the domestic campaign.

This year is the opposite. If anything is likely to persuade the continent’s elite that they should strike out on their own, it is the disinterest that will infect the remaining two rounds of matches before Christmas. Six teams — Bayern Munich, Manchester City, Chelsea, Sevilla, Barcelona and Juventus — are already through to the knockout rounds, and next week’s games will confirm the tickets of a few more heavyweights.

Only a handful of groups offer any lingering suspense at all, in fact, and in most cases it is a bit of a stretch. Liverpool needs a win against either Ajax or FC Midtjylland to secure passage. Manchester United needs a point against either Paris St.-Germain or RB Leipzig. Group B — where Inter Milan almost certainly will be eliminated, and Real Madrid is still in some mild jeopardy — is the honorable exception. This is what Berlusconi wanted. Whether it works for the rest of us is a different matter.

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Gary Lineker gave a really classy tribute to Maradona the other day but was watching one of his pieces from the 2014 Brazil world cup. 

Apparently the pitch at the Azteca Stadium that day was in terrible condition and the worst pitch he ever played on and how he said it beggared belief that Maradona was able to score that solo goal which makes the goal even more impressive. 

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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Gary Lineker gave a really classy tribute to Maradona the other day but was watching one of his pieces from the 2014 Brazil world cup. 

Apparently the pitch at the Azteca Stadium that day was in terrible condition and the worst pitch he ever played on and how he said it beggared belief that Maradona was able to score that solo goal which makes the goal even more impressive. 

During the Argentina v Belgium semi-final Nico Claesen got a chance to equalise when Argentina led 1-0, or rather he would have got the chance had the low cross travelling towards him not taken an outrageous bobble - the ball was rolling along the ground, and bobbled up onto his thigh and over his shoulder and wide
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Gary Lineker gave a really classy tribute to Maradona the other day but was watching one of his pieces from the 2014 Brazil world cup. 

Apparently the pitch at the Azteca Stadium that day was in terrible condition and the worst pitch he ever played on and how he said it beggared belief that Maradona was able to score that solo goal which makes the goal even more impressive. 

During the Argentina v Belgium semi-final Nico Claesen got a chance to equalise when Argentina led 1-0, or rather he would have got the chance had the low cross travelling towards him not taken an outrageous bobble - the ball was rolling along the ground, and bobbled up onto his thigh and over his shoulder and wide

Even back in the 80s and before the modern pitches we have today, I didn't think given the overall hot climate of Mexico that they would have had much, if any issues with the pitches but from googling it there Mexico City actually gets a fair amount of rain in June. This probably explains why the pitch wasn't in great condition. 
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They mentioned that the pitch was re-laid before the world cup.  There were gaps between the rolls of turf and so they grew the grass long to disguise it apparently.
Imagine a world cup played on that these days.  Klopp would be doing his nut in if he was manager of Germany.


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The friendly against Argentina in 1979 was officially a Shamrock Rovers XI? Then why was the team wearing the O’Neills Republic of Ireland kit and not the Rovers hoops like in 1973  ‘United Ireland’ team against Brazil?
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Every World Cup has absolutely brilliant players playing in it. Everything just seems better when you’re young. Italia ‘90 was the first I remember. Lots of people think it was sh*te. I thought it was fantastic.

I reckon this is it.
Innocent eyes when you are looking forward to every match.

Lack of internet also helped as you didn’t know all the players for the top teams. 


1990 was the first World Cup I properly remember.
However I think it was the last of the old school World Cups where everything was novelty

The pop culture that surrounded the 1990 World Cup was amazing and that's what most people remember - and that only happened because the World Cup then was such a big deal, I'd been waiting three and a half years for it because I just missed the 1986 one in terms of real memory, which to this day I feel regretful, angry and cheated by

But the pop culture that surrounds World Cups now is no big deal - the real pop culture or what remains of it now surrounds the club game

Even by '94 this had gone somewhat because live television had already changed the game

The truth is we'll almost certainly never have a World Cup like '86 or '82 again - those were different times and the World Cup meant simply meant more then than it does now

The World Cup up to '86 was the pinnacle of football not just in terms of excitement but in terms of standard - tactical systems were nowhere near as advanced in the club game as they are now

That began to change around the time of Sacchi's Milan - they were better than the West Germany team which won the World Cup, Capello's Milan were better than Brazil in '94
 
The best team in the world were no longer the team that won the World Cup, it was the team which won the European Cup

In the old days the World Cup was the cutting edge of football tactics - it was a less globalised world, players generally played in their home leagues, teams would bring different styles, and the game was slower, therefore there was more time for playmakers


World Cups now are just more football in a sea of never ending football - that's why they're not as special

Another thing that changed about major finals tournaments was the sense of local flavour, it has declined significantly - all the stadiums now are corporate lookalikes, all seater, they could be anywhere

People invaded the pitch after the final, there was much more of a sense of realness about it all, like the crowds didn't seem nearly as corporate, nothing seemed as corporate and soulless

The novelty factor World Cups had in the 1970s and 1980s has actually moved to things like elections in politics now, which are way more exciting than they were in the 1980s and 1990s, they're media extravaganzas



Some very good points Sid. (I’ve edited out the not so good points)

Let’s face it, we will never experience a World Cup again like we did when we were kids.

Corporate boxes, champions league, internet, football overload on TV has probably taken away a lot of that ‘wow’factor for kids today.

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Originally posted by newrynyuk newrynyuk wrote:

The friendly against Argentina in 1979 was officially a Shamrock Rovers XI? Then why was the team wearing the O’Neills Republic of Ireland kit and not the Rovers hoops like in 1973  ‘United Ireland’ team against Brazil?

I have the programme in my parents gaff and it says Republic of Ireland v Argentina on the front as well. Rovers get a mention in the top right corner.



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