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BabbsBalls wrote: 9fingers wrote: BabbsBalls wrote: 9fingers wrote: People end up on the streets for all sorts of reasons, relationships breaking down, house repossessions, job loss and not able to pay extortionate rents. What sort of question is that ffs? Do none of said people have family’s to put them up while they get their ducks in a row ? Some will, a lot won’t. There’s an awful lot of people on the verge of homelessness in Ireland, especially in cities. Homelessness as an issue is far bigger & wide reaching than those visible on our streets. That’s the sad reality That’s the common thread alright. But let’s be honest . Very few decent people have no one to turn to . Do you honestly know anyone who has no family or friends ? I struggle to think of one.

1 or 2. That’s about it.
Go up to the maldron in city west or the regency or plenty of other budget hotels during the week to see an unseen side to homelessness.
Was on a training course in city west a few weeks back and was shocked by the amount of single mothers living there
But yeah let this thread get back to the UFC

I know I said enough of the trash posts but I wonder what his lass thinks of Rita Ora calling her fella a date.

Personally if my lass saw me tagged on Facebook taking selfies with another girl captioning it as a date I’d probably get KO’d when I get home, or try to anyways

Edited by coyne - 05 Dec 2017 at 1:26pm

BabbsBalls wrote: Thanks PM. As someone who thinks quite rationally, of those who you know that are on the street, would you be of the opinion that some of their choices in life have contributed to their current situation ?

Yes, in the same way life choices lead to everybody's current situation. I doubt anybody wants to lose their job or struggle to pay the rent or mortgage, but you could argue that things they do may lead to that, that is open to debate. What isn't open to debate is how severe the punishment is for those 'choices'.
To argue the point, homelessness is doubling year on year in the city I currently live in as a result of a near complete absence of social housing, and an exorbitant private rental and buying market which isn't helped by the fact the rental market is dominated by a small few career landlords who monopolise the market, many of whom choose to deal exclusively with the large student population, exacerbating the problem.
As for them not being 'decent' people because they don't have family to turn to, I personally find that offensive. There are plenty of decent people on the streets, just because you might have a strong, supportive family doesn't mean that everyone will have. To give an example, one lad I know on the streets is an only child who had both his parents killed in a car crash as a teenager, he moved from the south coast to Cambridge at 18 to be with his girlfriend, when they split up he had nowhere to live and subsequently lost his job. I've had Ben over for dinner a few times, I can assure you he has no serious mental health issues, certainly has fewer than me and has no addictions as of yet. That's just one example, I know of others who have little or no contact with their families for a myriad of reasons. I understand as I don't talk to mine.
I think this is one of the major problems with homelessness, there is plenty sympathy but no empathy or understanding as people think everyone has the same family structure and relationships they do.

I presume that London you're talking about PM?

Rents and mortgages are high here in comparison to other countries, so are the wages . That’s life in Ireland . I might be far too harsh here but if someone has been in a job for more than a year or two they shouldn’t end up on the street if they lose the job. That’s just bad planning/managing your finances. I genuinely sympathise with people who’s luck had genuinely run out akin to Dan Akryod in Brewsters millions but the issue is rife with people who have made seriously bad choices.

Walking down Gardiner Street about 20 minutes ago and a fella about 35 I guess wheeling a pram filled with full black sacks down the steps of one of the cheapo B&Bs. A girl behind him carrying another couple of black sacks and a little tricycle. Hopefully I'm thinking to myself that they have got somewhere permanent to live. The tears in the girls eyes suggests otherwise.

pre Madonna wrote: Roberto Baggio wrote: I presume that London you're talking about PM? Is there the same lack of social housing in other English cities? Why don't they move to another city to find a home, or would they just be in the same situation?     I live in Cambridge RB.

BabbsBalls wrote: Rents and mortgages are high here in comparison to other countries, so are the wages . That’s life in Ireland . I might be far too harsh here but if someone has been in a job for more than a year or two they shouldn’t end up on the street if they lose the job. That’s just bad planning/managing your finances. I genuinely sympathise with people who’s luck had genuinely run out akin to Dan Akryod in Brewsters millions but the issue is rife with people who have made seriously bad choices.

This probably will seem churlish, but your opinion is exactly what I referred to. You have sympathy but a complete inability to understand anyone's situation but your own.

MC Hammered wrote: BabbsBalls wrote: Rents and mortgages are high here in comparison to other countries, so are the wages . That’s life in Ireland . I might be far too harsh here but if someone has been in a job for more than a year or two they shouldn’t end up on the street if they lose the job. That’s just bad planning/managing your finances. I genuinely sympathise with people who’s luck had genuinely run out akin to Dan Akryod in Brewsters millions but the issue is rife with people who have made seriously bad choices. Did you hear anything about a financial crash that happened here about 10 years ago?

I did . As someone self-employed with a mortgage and a wife in college at the time it nearly bankrupted me. I found other ways to make money to survive.