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PanteirA
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 8:26am |
Some of you are wondering why friendlies count now when they didn't before. There was no statement from the FAI to supporters informing them of their sudden decision to include them when all the chat the last few years has been about transparency. Perhaps if the FAI didn't include friendlies in this allocation it would have made their job more difficult? Was there really 500 fans at 5 of the 9 games used though ? Or is there more tickets going into hands elsewhere ? Genuine question for the lads who were at those games.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 8:36am |
PanteirA wrote:
Some of you are wondering why friendlies count now when they didn't before. There was no statement from the FAI to supporters informing them of their sudden decision to include them when all the chat the last few years has been about transparency. Perhaps if the FAI didn't include friendlies in this allocation it would have made their job more difficult? Was there really 500 fans at 5 of the 9 games used though ? Or is there more tickets going into hands elsewhere ? Genuine question for the lads who were at those games. |
Of the 6 games I attended (Moldova, Austria, Georgia, France, Wales and Denmark) there would of been 500 or more at imo but I know from watching the other 3 games on tv it seemed like a very small Irish crowd at them.
Think we all know was tickets harvested for the majority of them games (personally I'd say tickets harvested for all bar vienna) so it's the fai job to find a way to prevent this from happening and imo only solution is picking up tickets where the game is been played
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 9:23am |
BrendanD88 wrote:
Lostandfound wrote:
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Didnt meet the criteria myself but I am delighted Kearney missed out too.
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Have you read his posts?
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thebronze14
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 10:29am |
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Just out of curiosity, based on a comment in another thread, did all committe members get sorted? |
Eh, what’s your agenda here ? I think the reason most of the people volunteered to be on the committee was that they were seasoned away travellers. I don’t know all of them - I know some will have qualified a d I know some will have not. But what I do know is they are transparent enough to put their names in public so if they hadn’t been to a lot of games but still got sorted through the FAI then it would be pretty obvious. If you are questioning them on here then my not step out from behind your nickname and tell us why you are questioning this ? |
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 10:50am |
thebronze14 wrote:
Borussia wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, based on a comment in another thread, did all committe members get sorted? |
Eh, what’s your agenda here ? I think the reason most of the people volunteered to be on the committee was that they were seasoned away travellers. I don’t know all of them - I know some will have qualified a d I know some will have not. But what I do know is they are transparent enough to put their names in public so if they hadn’t been to a lot of games but still got sorted through the FAI then it would be pretty obvious. If you are questioning them on here then my not step out from behind your nickname and tell us why you are questioning this ? |
This lad is a clear WUM, best ignored | Home truths are something that can’t be ignored my friend
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:10am |
You were, unless I missed something, the first and so far only person to throw mud at the mandate committee. Two of those member shave clarified their position. Now unless you have something factual to say that backs up your stone throwing, then knock it on the head.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:18am |
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You were, unless I missed something, the first and so far only person to throw mud at the mandate committee. Two of those member shave clarified their position. Now unless you have something factual to say that backs up your stone throwing, then knock it on the head. |
All well and good Sham but we have been calling out (or at least some of us have) the CRISSC, supporter clubs like Sell Outs of 88 and Galway for their intransparent systems and obvious manipulation of the system so don’t see how Mandate Committee shouldn’t be subjected to same scrutiny.
As said, it doesn’t bother me either way but there is no credibility if the group calling for transparency aren’t transparent themselves. Especially for stakeholders whom all Irish away fans are - there shouldn’t be any issue with disclosing allocations I would have thought. There is no requirement for them to disclose allocations but I just feel credibility has to be questioned.
I guarantee that Bogumit is not the only one asking the question and concerned but most will stay quiet because they know members of the committee. I don’t think he is particularly wrong in anything he has said. Yes it’s snide but it’s a simple question
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:23am |
ringerbell wrote:
PanteirA wrote:
Some of you are wondering why friendlies count now when they didn't before. There was no statement from the FAI to supporters informing them of their sudden decision to include them when all the chat the last few years has been about transparency. Perhaps if the FAI didn't include friendlies in this allocation it would have made their job more difficult? Was there really 500 fans at 5 of the 9 games used though ? Or is there more tickets going into hands elsewhere ? Genuine question for the lads who were at those games. |
Of the 6 games I attended (Moldova, Austria, Georgia, France, Wales and Denmark) there would of been 500 or more at imo but I know from watching the other 3 games on tv it seemed like a very small Irish crowd at them.
Think we all know was tickets harvested for the majority of them games (personally I'd say tickets harvested for all bar vienna) so it's the fai job to find a way to prevent this from happening and imo only solution is picking up tickets where the game is been played |
Surely with technology FAI could get access to scanned tickets or have their security scan a voucher given with the ticket or collect them once we are in side the stadia Ponits only allocated after vouchers are verified. Points double the points deduction for no shows unless they can prove an emergency occurred ie death illness.
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Borussia
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:27am |
Pipkin wrote:
Sham157 wrote:
You were, unless I missed something, the first and so far only person to throw mud at the mandate committee. Two of those member shave clarified their position. Now unless you have something factual to say that backs up your stone throwing, then knock it on the head. |
All well and good Sham but we have been calling out (or at least some of us have) the CRISSC, supporter clubs like Sell Outs of 88 and Galway for their intransparent systems and obvious manipulation of the system so don’t see how Mandate Committee shouldn’t be subjected to same scrutiny.
As said, it doesn’t bother me either way but there is no credibility if the group calling for transparency aren’t transparent themselves. Especially for stakeholders whom all Irish away fans are - there shouldn’t be any issue with disclosing allocations I would have thought. There is no requirement for them to disclose allocations but I just feel credibility has to be questioned.
I guarantee that Bogumit is not the only one asking the question and concerned but most will stay quiet because they know members of the committee. I don’t think he is particularly wrong in anything he has said. Yes it’s snide but it’s a simple question |
It’s all very good to question stuff - nobody should have any issu with that. But go back and read the posts - they are not questioning, they are out & out accusing. And that’s totally different.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:35am |
Borussia wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Sham157 wrote:
You were, unless I missed something, the first and so far only person to throw mud at the mandate committee. Two of those member shave clarified their position. Now unless you have something factual to say that backs up your stone throwing, then knock it on the head. |
All well and good Sham but we have been calling out (or at least some of us have) the CRISSC, supporter clubs like Sell Outs of 88 and Galway for their intransparent systems and obvious manipulation of the system so don’t see how Mandate Committee shouldn’t be subjected to same scrutiny.
As said, it doesn’t bother me either way but there is no credibility if the group calling for transparency aren’t transparent themselves. Especially for stakeholders whom all Irish away fans are - there shouldn’t be any issue with disclosing allocations I would have thought. There is no requirement for them to disclose allocations but I just feel credibility has to be questioned.
I guarantee that Bogumit is not the only one asking the question and concerned but most will stay quiet because they know members of the committee. I don’t think he is particularly wrong in anything he has said. Yes it’s snide but it’s a simple question |
It’s all very good to question stuff - nobody should have any issu with that. But go back and read the posts - they are not questioning, they are out & out accusing. And that’s totally different. |
Point taken
I did address the fact that I didn't agree with his post in my initial response.
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Sham157
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:53am |
Pipkin wrote:
Borussia wrote:
Pipkin wrote:
Sham157 wrote:
You were, unless I missed something, the first and so far only person to throw mud at the mandate committee. Two of those member shave clarified their position. Now unless you have something factual to say that backs up your stone throwing, then knock it on the head. |
All well and good Sham but we have been calling out (or at least some of us have) the CRISSC, supporter clubs like Sell Outs of 88 and Galway for their intransparent systems and obvious manipulation of the system so don’t see how Mandate Committee shouldn’t be subjected to same scrutiny.
As said, it doesn’t bother me either way but there is no credibility if the group calling for transparency aren’t transparent themselves. Especially for stakeholders whom all Irish away fans are - there shouldn’t be any issue with disclosing allocations I would have thought. There is no requirement for them to disclose allocations but I just feel credibility has to be questioned.
I guarantee that Bogumit is not the only one asking the question and concerned but most will stay quiet because they know members of the committee. I don’t think he is particularly wrong in anything he has said. Yes it’s snide but it’s a simple question |
It’s all very good to question stuff - nobody should have any issu with that. But go back and read the posts - they are not questioning, they are out & out accusing. And that’s totally different. |
Point taken
I did address the fact that I didn't agree with his post in my initial response. |
Which is also what I was getting at, Bog was just accusing in an intial post and then following it up with thinly veiled accusations. If he has something factual to say or ask then go for it, but snide accusations arent on.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:56am |
Missy wrote:
ringerbell wrote:
PanteirA wrote:
Some of you are wondering why friendlies count now when they didn't before. There was no statement from the FAI to supporters informing them of their sudden decision to include them when all the chat the last few years has been about transparency. Perhaps if the FAI didn't include friendlies in this allocation it would have made their job more difficult? Was there really 500 fans at 5 of the 9 games used though ? Or is there more tickets going into hands elsewhere ? Genuine question for the lads who were at those games. |
Of the 6 games I attended (Moldova, Austria, Georgia, France, Wales and Denmark) there would of been 500 or more at imo but I know from watching the other 3 games on tv it seemed like a very small Irish crowd at them.
Think we all know was tickets harvested for the majority of them games (personally I'd say tickets harvested for all bar vienna) so it's the fai job to find a way to prevent this from happening and imo only solution is picking up tickets where the game is been played |
Surely with technology FAI could get access to scanned tickets or have their security scan a voucher given with the ticket or collect them once we are in side the stadia Ponits only allocated after vouchers are verified. Points double the points deduction for no shows unless they can prove an emergency occurred ie death illness. |
Its a lot handier to just have pick up from hotel in the host city.No need to add an extra process, scanning/vouchers etc.
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BrendanD88
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:12pm |
Lostandfound wrote:
BrendanD88 wrote:
Lostandfound wrote:
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Didnt meet the criteria myself but I am delighted Kearney missed out too.
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Yes, just wondered why you were so petty.
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It's in my nature.
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Sham157
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:12pm |
Pipkin wrote:
Sham157 wrote:
You were, unless I missed something, the first and so far only person to throw mud at the mandate committee. Two of those member shave clarified their position. Now unless you have something factual to say that backs up your stone throwing, then knock it on the head. |
All well and good Sham but we have been calling out (or at least some of us have) the CRISSC, supporter clubs like Sell Outs of 88 and Galway for their intransparent systems and obvious manipulation of the system so don’t see how Mandate Committee shouldn’t be subjected to same scrutiny.
As said, it doesn’t bother me either way but there is no credibility if the group calling for transparency aren’t transparent themselves. Especially for stakeholders whom all Irish away fans are - there shouldn’t be any issue with disclosing allocations I would have thought. There is no requirement for them to disclose allocations but I just feel credibility has to be questioned.
I guarantee that Bogumit is not the only one asking the question and concerned but most will stay quiet because they know members of the committee. I don’t think he is particularly wrong in anything he has said. Yes it’s snide but it’s a simple question |
Just on this again, its up to those signed up to the mandate to hold those that represent them to account. However, I do understand also that transparency is crucial and Im sure those on the committee would feel likewise.
Now given what has gone on since Scotland re tickets, I doubt that any of those involved would go down the road of abusing their position to get their hands on tickets when theyre outside the set criteria or make representations for tickets, as they know full well that the FAI would be only too happy to let it slip and use this against them. When dealing with the FAI lads have to be whiter than white and Im sure (hope) that the lads and lady involved know that.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:18pm |
rossieman wrote:
Its a lot handier to just have pick up from hotel in the host city.No need to add an extra process, scanning/vouchers etc. |
Don't know if it is handier for the FAI, but it can be pain in the arse for supporters. Kazakhstan, Bosnia and Köln being stand out examples for myself. For comparison, the GAA prevent season ticket harversting by only awarding attendance where the ticket has been scanned at the gate. At away games, we only use a handful of turnstiles. It shouldn't be too difficult to isolate and compare scanner data with tickets issued. It would also save the FAI having to employ an extra person and fly them abroad simply to hand out tickets. Just post the tickets out, and compare the data from the warmth of the office the week after the match.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:41pm |
brendy_éire wrote:
rossieman wrote:
Its a lot handier to just have pick up from hotel in the host city.No need to add an extra process, scanning/vouchers etc. |
Don't know if it is handier for the FAI, but it can be pain in the arse for supporters. Kazakhstan, Bosnia and Köln being stand out examples for myself. For comparison, the GAA prevent season ticket harversting by only awarding attendance where the ticket has been scanned at the gate. At away games, we only use a handful of turnstiles. It shouldn't be too difficult to isolate and compare scanner data with tickets issued. It would also save the FAI having to employ an extra person and fly them abroad simply to hand out tickets. Just post the tickets out, and compare the data from the warmth of the office the week after the match. |
in Tbilisi there were scanners and a few lads scanned a couple of tickets going in, so that is a potential downfall where there is no manual scanning by an operator
my worry and it will be for others will be the swiss game if we are in contention in the group those 3 friendly additions have blown this wide open
i agree on credit for friendlies as long as we know in advance
but should 3 friendlies + wales, denmark & Austria be worth the same as 6 competitive which include belgrade chisinau and tbilisi? my opinion NO
it would be good for the mandate committee to get the criteria in advance of this
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:54pm |
I'd say there will be no more worries with tickets this campaign.
Denmark will see everyone sorted Georgia will see everyone sorted Switzerland will see most loyal sorted quite easily with the numbets we will get.
Don't think we have an away friendly for some time either do we?
Ticket distribution will always cause complaints. As stated earlier in the thread I don't go to friendlies, but happy enough they are included now we know they do. I still think going to every competitive game will always usually land me a ticket.
As for collection, this is a good option, and maybe a random percentage each game to not take up too much FAI resource. Tbilisi will be the game this campaign where it is likely to be a problem so maybe increase the percentage there due to travelling numbers not being so large.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 1:21pm |
switzerland confirmed for geneva so it's gonna be another struggle for tickets
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