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Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

They were losing 3-0 when they took him off.
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Originally posted by johnvonp johnvonp wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

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Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

They were losing 3-0 when they took him off.

Sorry, against Brentford in the league, few of us off here went to the match 
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Played well! Liked the look of him and think he will do a job for us in the future, just don't think Switzerland is the game for him to start off in myself but I see your point as well. 
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Does anyone here know about the paperwork?
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

This is a bizarre post. 

1. This is a game in which could well be hanging in the balance. More than likely be 0-0 and we need a creative spark. We have to try beat the Danes or Swiss at home. Why not go for it in this one? I don't agree with leaving it until the last home game v the big team to go for it. He could unlock their defence.

2. The Championship is a 46 games a season league. They've just signed him and he was whipped off around 20 mins from FT. Midfielders / attacking midfielders at that generally are the first to go off with a striker. How can you say with any degree of confidence that this was down to the gaffer not trusting him? It's a very strange comment to make. Then from this you have decided he wouldn't be worth the risk against the Swiss, based on him coming off after 72 mins in his first game for his new club?

.....Mind Blown


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Can’t see Mick accommodating both Byrne and Crowley in his squad
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Does anyone here know about the paperwork?

Doesn't look like anyone knows. You'd imagine it would not be far off if it was started a few months ago.
If there was an issue maybe Mick would have mentioned it in the scouting report?
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Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Can’t see Mick accommodating both Byrne and Crowley in his squad

Definitely not. Not Mick anyway. Given that he's unlikely to start a number 10, the idea of having 2 on the bench wouldn't make sense. They're almost identical anyway. 

Would have been nice to see Jack getting another call based on recent form but if Crowley puts in some good performances in championship, you'd have to imagine that Mick will favour him. 
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Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Can’t see Mick accommodating both Byrne and Crowley in his squad

Definitely not. Not Mick anyway. Given that he's unlikely to start a number 10, the idea of having 2 on the bench wouldn't make sense. They're almost identical anyway. 

Would have been nice to see Jack getting another call based on recent form but if Crowley puts in some good performances in championship, you'd have to imagine that Mick will favour him. 

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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Can’t see Mick accommodating both Byrne and Crowley in his squad

Definitely not. Not Mick anyway. Given that he's unlikely to start a number 10, the idea of having 2 on the bench wouldn't make sense. They're almost identical anyway. 

Would have been nice to see Jack getting another call based on recent form but if Crowley puts in some good performances in championship, you'd have to imagine that Mick will favour him. 

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Originally posted by eddiebro eddiebro wrote:

Can’t see Mick accommodating both Byrne and Crowley in his squad
 
Byrne won't get near a starting spot under Mick
 
 
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

This is a bizarre post. 

1. This is a game in which could well be hanging in the balance. More than likely be 0-0 and we need a creative spark. We have to try beat the Danes or Swiss at home. Why not go for it in this one? I don't agree with leaving it until the last home game v the big team to go for it. He could unlock their defence.

2. The Championship is a 46 games a season league. They've just signed him and he was whipped off around 20 mins from FT. Midfielders / attacking midfielders at that generally are the first to go off with a striker. How can you say with any degree of confidence that this was down to the gaffer not trusting him? It's a very strange comment to make. Then from this you have decided he wouldn't be worth the risk against the Swiss, based on him coming off after 72 mins in his first game for his new club?

.....Mind Blown

Answered the first point already, as for the second I don't know for sure but he gave away the ball a few times, giving Brentford some good chances and missed tackles a few other times ould've been a risk to keep him on with the lead. I wouldn't have trusted keeping the lead with him on myself. 

Don't think it's overly bizarre to ask if we can trust a new, unproven, player, in home game against the top seeds to be honest. 



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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

This is a bizarre post. 

1. This is a game in which could well be hanging in the balance. More than likely be 0-0 and we need a creative spark. We have to try beat the Danes or Swiss at home. Why not go for it in this one? I don't agree with leaving it until the last home game v the big team to go for it. He could unlock their defence.

2. The Championship is a 46 games a season league. They've just signed him and he was whipped off around 20 mins from FT. Midfielders / attacking midfielders at that generally are the first to go off with a striker. How can you say with any degree of confidence that this was down to the gaffer not trusting him? It's a very strange comment to make. Then from this you have decided he wouldn't be worth the risk against the Swiss, based on him coming off after 72 mins in his first game for his new club?

.....Mind Blown

Answered the first point already, as for the second I don't know for sure but he gave away the ball a few times, giving Brentford some good chances and missed tackles a few other times ould've been a risk to keep him on with the lead. I wouldn't have trusted keeping the lead with him on myself. 

Don't think it's overly bizarre to ask if we can trust a new, unproven, player, in home game against the top seeds to be honest. 


Mind telling me what other 'proven' lads like Obafemi, Meyler, Long etc had done before they played / started for Ireland. 

It's mad our mentality. We have this fear of a creative player causing wreck and upsetting things in a match even though we would have 10 other players on the pitch. What we need are players that are comfortable getting on the ball and attempting to keep it. Plenty of lads have donned the green jersey and done feck all at club level but there was no outrage then. That's why I can't wait for Kenny to come in. Sick of the days of playing it safe.


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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

This is a bizarre post. 

1. This is a game in which could well be hanging in the balance. More than likely be 0-0 and we need a creative spark. We have to try beat the Danes or Swiss at home. Why not go for it in this one? I don't agree with leaving it until the last home game v the big team to go for it. He could unlock their defence.

2. The Championship is a 46 games a season league. They've just signed him and he was whipped off around 20 mins from FT. Midfielders / attacking midfielders at that generally are the first to go off with a striker. How can you say with any degree of confidence that this was down to the gaffer not trusting him? It's a very strange comment to make. Then from this you have decided he wouldn't be worth the risk against the Swiss, based on him coming off after 72 mins in his first game for his new club?

.....Mind Blown

Answered the first point already, as for the second I don't know for sure but he gave away the ball a few times, giving Brentford some good chances and missed tackles a few other times ould've been a risk to keep him on with the lead. I wouldn't have trusted keeping the lead with him on myself. 

Don't think it's overly bizarre to ask if we can trust a new, unproven, player, in home game against the top seeds to be honest. 


Mind telling me what other 'proven' lads like Obafemi, Meyler, Long etc had done before they played / started for Ireland. 

It's mad our mentality. We have this fear of a creative player causing wreck and upsetting things in a match even though we would have 10 other players on the pitch. What we need are players that are comfortable getting on the ball and attempting to keep it. Plenty of lads have donned the green jersey and done feck all at club level but there was no outrage then. That's why I can't wait for Kenny to come in. Sick of the days of playing it safe.

For the most part, they will have been given game time in friendlies. 
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Mikeire Mikeire wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Not sure I'd spring him against the Swiss having seen him against Birmingham, brought off to protect a lead, possibly if we're down it'd worth a shot if we're stuck. 

Can someone please google translate this?



Birmingham took him off as they didn't trust they'd hold a lead with him on, likewise, could we trust him at 0-0 to not lose?

 Not sure we could, wouldn't risk it myself. Maybe that's as I'd take a draw, if someone wouldn't take a draw and wanted to go for the win he'd make sense. 

This is a bizarre post. 

1. This is a game in which could well be hanging in the balance. More than likely be 0-0 and we need a creative spark. We have to try beat the Danes or Swiss at home. Why not go for it in this one? I don't agree with leaving it until the last home game v the big team to go for it. He could unlock their defence.

2. The Championship is a 46 games a season league. They've just signed him and he was whipped off around 20 mins from FT. Midfielders / attacking midfielders at that generally are the first to go off with a striker. How can you say with any degree of confidence that this was down to the gaffer not trusting him? It's a very strange comment to make. Then from this you have decided he wouldn't be worth the risk against the Swiss, based on him coming off after 72 mins in his first game for his new club?

.....Mind Blown

Answered the first point already, as for the second I don't know for sure but he gave away the ball a few times, giving Brentford some good chances and missed tackles a few other times ould've been a risk to keep him on with the lead. I wouldn't have trusted keeping the lead with him on myself. 

Don't think it's overly bizarre to ask if we can trust a new, unproven, player, in home game against the top seeds to be honest. 


Mind telling me what other 'proven' lads like Obafemi, Meyler, Long etc had done before they played / started for Ireland. 

It's mad our mentality. We have this fear of a creative player causing wreck and upsetting things in a match even though we would have 10 other players on the pitch. What we need are players that are comfortable getting on the ball and attempting to keep it. Plenty of lads have donned the green jersey and done feck all at club level but there was no outrage then. That's why I can't wait for Kenny to come in. Sick of the days of playing it safe.

It's not that mad, I saw him first hand last week against decidedly average opposition and would be fearful of him doing something to lose us the match, which would be hugely damaging. 

Fair enough if you think the opposite but 'mind blown', 'bizarre post' etc are pushing it a bit, hardly a 'mad' point of view to not want him to play that match.
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Do you reckon I want him to start Vidic?

Can you list the elite level quality we have in that position that could potentially unlock a defence that are playing against superior standard week in week out.

Let's have a look at our elite squad playing at a super high level.

Randolph - championship - same as Crowley 

Coleman - prem 
Duffy - prem 
Keogh - championship - same as Crowley 
Stevens - championship - same as Crowley 

Attacking players (capable of unlocking the defence like Crowley would be asked to do)

Conor H - championship - same as Crowley 
Jeff H - prem 
Callum R - championship - same as Crowley 
James Mc - championship - same as Crowley 

Scotty H - championship - same as Crowley 
David Mc G - championship - same as Crowley 



Point made?

3/11 are higher standard.
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Did you intentionally miss the other half of those players that are playing in the premier league?

You missed more then you actually named.


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