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The E
Liam Brady Pm thE BSM your info Joined: 30 Oct 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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Really? What's there now? I stayed in the Days Inn about 2 to 3 years ago and it was still there. The taxi man said "sorry about that" as we drove by it.
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AntrimMan
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I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.
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AntrimMan
Jack Charlton YBIG's resident Nordy/London Hipster Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Location: Christmas Island Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
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T'is now this.
Still partisan obviously, but baby steps and all that.
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Sligo Hornet
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Why?.....did he paint it?
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Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ?
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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The thing is, while you cannot vote no simply out a fear of retaliation
and violence from the Unionist and Loyalist communities, you need to
accept that, even with a nationalist majority in Northern Ireland, there
would remain a sizeable minority opposed to union with Dublin, the same
way there are a sizeable minority at the minute opposed to union with
London. The unionist and loyalist community have, for the most part,
been big enough to see that there are hundreds of thousands of people in
Northern Ireland who do not and will never view themselves as Irishmen.
We need to understand that there are hundreds of thousands of people in
Northern Ireland who do not and possibly never will view themselves as
Irishmen.
Now, there are quite a few northern unionist protestants who accept that they are a particular subset of Irish (the wealthy ones, mostly, who play rugby and cricket and would probably be willing to accept a united Ireland) but there are plenty more in the middle and lower classes who will never understand. They will view any attempt at rule from Dublin, rightly or wrongly, the same way as northern nationalists and catholics viewed rule under London and under the old Northern Ireland parliament (Craig, Brooke, Faulkner et al). The fact is, you cannot simply dismiss their concerns and some form of rapprochement would be absolutely necessary between northern unionism and southern government, and I cannot see that being quick or easy. A simply majority rule in the six counties, never mind the 32, is not going to fly at the minute. I think it is going to take a couple of generations, until people in Northern Ireland can fully trust one another again, until all the old terrorists are dead and gone and until the hatred has subsided, before people can see their common interests as northern Irishmen and as Irishmen outweigh any allegiance they have to London and the Crown. I think, until such times as a majority of current unionists, loyalists and protestants are at least amenable to or potentially accepting of a united Ireland, asking the question is only going to foment discontent and set the cause back. In this instance, while a united Ireland in the morning would be ideal, I think the long game is the preferable course of action. I fully accept that there are presently short term financial problems that would need to be overcome (even leaving aside any issue of national debt and whether a new united Ireland would inherit any debt from the UK) but those are not the major issue at the moment. If that was the only obstacle, I would probably vote in favour, and, in fact, if there was a referendum, I would make sure to register at my home address in the north and vote yes (knowing the vote was going to fail, of course, which it would at the minute, by about 65/35), but for the purposes of this poll I have voted no. I just don't think there is anything to be gained from holding a poll at the minute and think it would ultimately do more harm than good. To re-iterate, I am not saying we should be afraid of potential trouble from lunatics, but that we should be aware of legitimate concerns of disenfranchisement from the protestant, unionist and loyalist people in the north, who are a majority at the minute but would be a clear minority in any united Ireland. We would only be repeating the mistakes they made, in reverse, between 1922 and 1997. Edit: Is that better, TheEejit? Edited by SuperDave84 - 03 Dec 2013 at 1:24pm |
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Sham157
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I think it should be a phased reunification process, starting with Fermanagh. Ten years later Derry can join the party. Obviously London can keep Tyrone as a souvenir before Armagh join the fold. Antrim and most of North down inclusive of East Belfast shall remain part of Lizzy's crew.
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The E
Liam Brady Pm thE BSM your info Joined: 30 Oct 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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SuperDave.. Do you have an enter button on your keyboard?
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Flanno7hi
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Location: Chester Status: Offline Points: 2618 |
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Our City. Our Community. Our Club
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The E
Liam Brady Pm thE BSM your info Joined: 30 Oct 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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Says the man in Chester. Come back Flanno and contribute to the Irish state
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Sligo Hornet
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Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ?
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SuperDave84
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Yes, except there are plenty of other benefits you can get in the UK too. Disability living allowance is far easier to get up there than the similar one is down here, they get tax credits in the form of actual money direct to the bank account, rent supplement etc is better, it's a hell of a lot easier to get a public house (the lists are shorter and the housing more plentiful), etc etc, so while the dole itself is a lot lower, those who need cash can actually get it. The dole down here is generous, no doubt, especially for lads living at home who spend over half of it on fags, cans and weed, but there are other benefits in the north and a simple comparison on weekly figures for unemployment benefit is not entirely accurate. |
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Stillhuntinghenry
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12 West Brit bastids
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londonirish
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1795 |
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i started reading his post and gave up after a minute... impossible to get through!
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Flanno7hi
Liam Brady Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Location: Chester Status: Offline Points: 2618 |
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I was waiting for that.
It's not really any of your f**king business where I live but I would be back in a second if it would do any help.
I can work in a job here and contribute by coming home often and spending money or I can live in Ireland and get the dole?
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Our City. Our Community. Our Club
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AntrimMan
Jack Charlton YBIG's resident Nordy/London Hipster Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Location: Christmas Island Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
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No doubt SD - just answered his question directly relating the dole though.
I think in the context of the thread as well - the amount of money from UK and Irish governments as well as the EU that goes into less priveledged areas run by parilmilitaries in the form of grants and 'community workers' is frightening.
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@AntrimMan85
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Stillhuntinghenry
Jack Charlton useless at posting links Joined: 23 Nov 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8149 |
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Don't know where you are getting your info from, there is a housing crisis up here, thousands on waiting lists. Getting DLA is now difficult as everyone has to go through a medical exam and an independant contractor has been appointed to carry these out. There is also a bedroom tax which deducts money from benefits dependant on the number of free bedrooms in someone's house. The Tories are squeezing the feck out of people. I saw an article last week which highlighted that reunification will be much better the north. Edited by Stillhuntinghenry - 03 Dec 2013 at 1:23pm |
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Fintan
Liam Brady YBIG Mods are cool Joined: 30 May 2013 Location: Reading Status: Offline Points: 1558 |
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You're obviously not as you wouldnt vote yes on a 32 county Republic. This is the central element of being an Irish republican so if you don't support this you aren't a republican. Edited by Fintan - 03 Dec 2013 at 1:31pm |
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Liam Brady Pm thE BSM your info Joined: 30 Oct 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1174 |
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For a man who sounds staunchly Republican and would do anything for a United Ireland i'm surprised you'd even consider living in the United Kingdom earning the pound sterling. I'm sure you could get a job here.
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