A United Ireland vote?
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Topic: A United Ireland vote?
Posted By: The E
Subject: A United Ireland vote?
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:35am
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A hypothetical question but I'm just curious to see what the YBIG crew would vote. Vote with the head and not the heart. ------------- PropaghandE |
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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:38am
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Why would you vote no? ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: Flanno7hi
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:42am
Poor troll baiting trying to get a bite from Jinky because of the other thread I'd say. ------------- Our City. Our Community. Our Club IG @flanno_7hi |
horsebox wrote:Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:45am
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This thread is made for Rangers Billy and Lord Kilfenian. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:54am
How are we supposed to viably incorporate NI into our economy? ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:55am
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I'm honestly not a troll. It's just an interesting debate Flanno and I would genuinely vote no. I'm a proud republican Irishman but I feel the ship as sailed for the 6 counties to come under the Irish government. The people of the 6 counties are Irish anyway and can hold Irish passports. AntrimMan is as Irish as me or a chap in Kerry. I just believe there'd be a civil war if a 'Yes vote' was passed. Look at the uproar Unionists caused over a flag flying in City Hall. Could you imagine what would happen if they were forced to be part of an Irish Republic? There'd be blood on the streets and we'd be back to the troubles. I'm not prepared to take the risk for that to happen. I'm not prepared for my country to be in the world news for all the wrong reasons again. There's also the financial burden that I don't think the Irish government would be able to handle taking on the 6 counties. A lot of jobs in the north are through the UK government. What would happen the Irish people in the North if they became part of the Republic? Like it or not but there'd be mass unemployment. In the ideal world all 32 counties would be under the one government but unfortunately it's not that way but I think people need to take off their rose tinted glasses. The negatives of a United Ireland far outweigh the positives. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 10:59am
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Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:00am
Iris is very much in the yes camp. Lots of young fenian boys about the place. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:01am
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Do people actually want the carnage that the Unionist's would cause if a United Ireland happened? People abroad don't even know 'Northern Ireland' exists anyway so I don't feel the need to vote yes. As I've said in the ideal world the 6 counties would've never have been under UK rule in the first place. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:03am
Joking aside what would your opinion be? If a yes vote happened do you think the troubles would come back? The Unionists caused havoc over a flag. God only knows what would happen ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: jinky
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:04am
Imagine calling yourself a proud Irish republican but wanting the six counties to remain in the UK, is this a script from the monty python comeback  ------------- tir gan teanga ,tir gan anam |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:11am
I believe that we've a 32 county country. 6 of those counties are unfortunately under UK rule. However, I don't believe having those 6 counties under Irish government rule is the right thing for the political and financial stability of this country. If guys like AntrimMan weren't allowed an Irish passport perhaps my opinion would be different. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Salzburglilly
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:12am
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ohh dear. ------------- Nathan Collins - The best Kildare baller since Johnny Doyle! |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:13am
No. If it was a case that the neccessary vote was carried, the unionist para's do not have the means, organisation or togetherness to bring about anything resembling the troubles IMO.
Should it happen, it wouldn't be like the flicking of a switch, the post offices won't change to An Post or the phone boxes change to Eircom. It would be a slow, gradual change which would help.
Some civil unrest - certainly. Probably larger scale that we're seeing at the minute yes. But thats just the way of it. Demographics are changing here and a lot of Unionists find it unpalatable. Quite a lot are now going to uni in GB and a lot will stay there. It will get better with a newer generation who aren't used to having it all their own way. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:15am
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Do you ever believe such a vote will happen? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: eire32
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:16am
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Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:16am
We have to have these sort of debates. There's valid arguments for both sides. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:17am
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I would love nothing more than the 6 counties to be under proper Irish rule. I would just be very worried there'd be trouble on the streets of Dublin & Belfast from loyalist terrorists. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: liam_in_germany
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:18am
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who the f**k is voting no??? |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:18am
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The Irish government could compensate the Loyalist community with a load of oner bags. ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:19am
Absolutely. The legislation is in place for a border poll as I understand.
Won't happen until there is a Nationalist majority here and even then, it won't pass for quite some time. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:19am
Do you want loyalists causing blood on the streets of this country? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: liam_in_germany
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:21am
but its our f**king country, not the f**king brits |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:21am
Is there not a large amount of nationalists who see themselves as Irish, support the Irish national team and are as Irish as can be yet want to stay within the UK for safety? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Rangers William 6UK
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:21am
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A thread started by a puppet for IRA/SinnFein no doubt sprouting his terrorist rhetoric on an unregulated public medium of Satan. As Big Ian used to say in the old days ''NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!''  Ulster proudly sitting next to the mainland UK under the magnificent red white and blue. Brings a tear to the eye.  |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:23am
Very intelligent and well thought out response there Liam. Look at the carnage that was caused by a Union flag being taken down from City Hall. Can you imagine what would happen by the small but vocal group if they had to become part of a United Ireland. There'd be blood on the streets. Do you want to see your country become violent and in the world news for all the wrong reasons? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:23am
Yep, I'd say there is. Hence why although a border poll will happen when there is a percieved 'Nationalist' majority. I don't think it would pass, especially at the first time of asking.
It will be interesting to see how the Scotish vote goes to get an idea of how it could happen. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: liam_in_germany
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:26am
but what are we supposed to do? just accept it like it is besause it might be dangerous? thank f**k irish people didn't always have such attitudes |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:28am
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Well thought out response AntrimMan, you speak well and aren't getting worked up like others  Fellas like william_in_germany coming out with idiotic responses "it's our f**king country" Everyone knows it's our f**king country. I'm not denying that. AM is Irish as me. Antrim is as Irish a county as Kerry. All i'm saying is the risk would be absolutely massive for this island and I'd be very very worried about what the trouble the lads from Unionist council estates throughout the North would cause.
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Posted By: jinky
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:31am
------------- tir gan teanga ,tir gan anam |
Posted By: jinky
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:33am
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Belfast should be the capital of united Ireland ------------- tir gan teanga ,tir gan anam |
Posted By: liam_in_germany
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:35am
im not getting worked up i just swear a lot  |
Posted By: liam_in_germany
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:36am
would you ever f**k off |
Posted By: da scientist
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:42am
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A no vote from me ------------- The main thing is not to panic |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:44am
Why? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: jinky
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:45am
------------- tir gan teanga ,tir gan anam |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:58am
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James McClean just tweeted about this on Twitter ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: Rangers William 6UK
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 11:58am
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New forum names for northern members AntrimMan= Ballycastle Loyal Criostoir Og= Ulster Flegger Phillyk= Windsor Roar Jinky= Rangers Poppy Boy
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Posted By: d13dave
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:02pm
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i think this is a good debate lads and its good to hear the perspective of all. Whats the Protestent/Catholic split in Belfast these days Antrim man? Belfast lad i worked with from the Short Strand reckoned its changing and a lot of protestents are leaving. Surely the staunch loyalists would kick off spectacularly if a vote was passed and Ireland was United. The Loyalists paramilitaries may not rise to the force they were but there would be major unrest. The staunch loyalists kick off about trivial things god only knows how they would react to something not trivial. How long the unrest lasts who knows. Innocent Catholics would be targeted and we could go back to square 1. Is is a United Ireland worth risking relative peace and the death of innocent people?? The Loyalists do not have a Thatcher type figure in Downing street. I do not think the current UK Government or majority of British people care all that much about Northern Ireland or the Loyalist population. Politically id say the UK would not have a major issues relinquishing the North. I would suspect the "Freestate" Government secretly would prefer not to have the hassle of taking the 6 counties back. The process would need to be managed and phased very carefully and we would need major help from Downing Street in the transition period. The PSNI would have a huge role to play I do not think the "freestate" government have the ability or competence to pull this off without major help. Im just a mere "west brit" from Dublin and have never been directly affected by the troubles. Would be nice to have a United Ireland but not at the cost of chaos and death. |
Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:04pm
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I'd go for a 32 county classless republic, call each other comrade and win a barrow load of olympic medals at gymnastics......... ------------- " BFC always gives me a laugh........ " |
Posted By: Metal Paul
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:05pm
Rangers Billy, Lord Kilfenian, Iris Robinson and probably the Scientist. EDIT: Just seen that the Scientist actually voted no.  ------------- "There are no chicks with dicks Johnny, just guys with tits." |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:09pm
I don't see it? ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:09pm
You take that back right now ye hure ye! I'm not from feckin Ballycastle  ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: jinky
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:10pm
------------- tir gan teanga ,tir gan anam |
Posted By: Just saying like
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:10pm
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This will become a major political issue if Sinn Fein get into government as part of a coalition after the next election. |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:13pm
No idea about numbers but from an electoral POV, councilors etc, it is majority Nationalist, hence the recent Union Flag vote which passed 29-21 i think.
The West is very heavily Nationalist, as is much of the North. East is majority Unionist while posh South Belfast is becoming more and more Nationalist, even if it the SDLP variety. The city centre is definately becoming more and more 'Irish', most bars have trad sessions etc, there seems to be carrolls gift shops popping up everywhere, little things like that. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:13pm
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Can't see it happening in the next 30 years to be honest Obviously would like to see it I dont believe in bowing down to terrorism and violence though as a reason to be against it. If the people of the island vote for it then it should happen. |
Posted By: EastStandMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:15pm
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Voted yes . We need a changed mindset re our working classes - if they wont fight for their childrens future how the fkuc can they be expected to fight for Ireland . I do not nor will I ever recognise a border . I was the lad on the East Stand with the ""32""poster when Rovers ousted linfield from the Setanta cup - the huns across from me seemed to be in awe . Re loyalists causing trouble - no free lunches so know that . ------------- Shamrock Rovers - lovin the buzz . |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:26pm
Care to elaborate? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:27pm
He didnt really I just knew that there'd be a few people ready to give him stick on here if he did ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: Dukla
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:31pm
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The argument that the Unionists would kick up a fuss if this happened as a reason for not doing it is ridiculous, you can't let violence override democracy. Tbh just like a lot of Afrikaners emigrated when Apartheid ended in SA, I genuinely believe a lot of Unionists will emigrate to Scotland (if they aren't already an independent country) or England. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:35pm
Wouldn't need a new flag, the orange is there for a reason. Funnily enough, I'd be against the idea of changing the anthem (obviously I realise that Unionists/Loyalists would find our anthem offensive). But imagine having to listen to Ireland's Call at football games  ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:37pm
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If there was a yes vote no doubt the Unionist/Loyalist community would want us to change our anthem and flag. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Flanno7hi
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:38pm
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I voted yes. I can't see how anyone can call themselves an Irish republican and foresake their countryman to rule by a foreign power.
People are claiming economic reasons for me that just shows the sad state of modern Ireland. I'd give up everything for a United Ireland ------------- Our City. Our Community. Our Club IG @flanno_7hi |
Posted By: londonirish
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:41pm
The thought of thousands of those degenerates turning up on the streets of London (fleg in hand) is enough for the UK to keep the North! Eventually generation and populist shifts will see a strong catholic population. Anyone with half a brain can see the tide is turning and the game is up for Unionist domination. The Loyalist community are petrified of it and events like the fleg coming down just help to feed that fear. The point above about Belfast turning more "Irish" is a very good one. This has been happening steadily for the last couple of years.
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Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:43pm
I understand the anthem thing but they can fck off if they think the flag will be changing, the orange was included to incorporate them in the first place but they chose to wrap themselves in the butchers apron instead. If a United Ireland was ever achieved, does anyone see mass emigration of those who would class themselves as British? ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:44pm
I suppose it's fairly possible they would return home to Scotland and England ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:45pm
------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:48pm
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Here's a crowd of people in Enniskillen. People from very near Sligo, Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan. This crowd would demand a flag change if they became part of a Republic.  ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:53pm
Do you reckon it would be the dregs of their society to run away home or remain here causing trouble.?
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Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:56pm
Of course some would return home to Scotland but to be honest I'd say a large chunk of their dregs would stay and cause an awful lot of trouble. Thousands took to the street on Saturday to protest about their beloved Union flag. What would they do if they became part of the Republic? I'd be wary that they'd bring that trouble to Dublin. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:56pm
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Out of curiosity what's the social welfare rate up North or in the UK? ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: Sligo Hornet
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:58pm
What's "social welfare" ? ------------- Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ? |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 12:58pm
The dole ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:00pm
Think the dole is 56 quid a week. It might be more for over 25's but they might have done away with that.
Not 100% sure ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:00pm
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Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:01pm
They live in areas such as this. We'd have to fund people like that.  ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: d13dave
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:02pm
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look harmless enough folks if a bit gormless. Send the hardcore loyalists to somewhere orange friendly and mind numbingly dull like Ayrshire, Larkhall, Corby or Blackpool. Wouldnt wish the more backward lot on any fun city in the UK |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:02pm
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That mural has now been painted over by the way. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:03pm
Jesus if you went from that to €188 a week it'd be like winning the lotto ------------- Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic." |
Posted By: Sligo Hornet
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:03pm
including your freedom?..........Not beyond reason (although unlikely) to think that at some stage in the future the island of Ireland may be under the full control of another nation.....eg China (not all the Chinese are a great bunch of lads)...who knows , the capital city could be renamed Foo Kin Fleg ------------- Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ? |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:04pm
Yup. And the cost of living up here, belfast in particular, is starting to feckin resemble that of Dublin. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:05pm
Really? What's there now? I stayed in the Days Inn about 2 to 3 years ago and it was still there. The taxi man said "sorry about that" as we drove by it. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:05pm
I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:06pm
T'is now this.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=VKKNFmNK1jxtwM&tbnid=MKcR4XdSfAQrEM:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geograph.ie%2Fphoto%2F3062208&ei=T9edUsC8IbGp7Ab67IDYAg&psig=AFQjCNERF5IXY7fI8EMv06AIoU2NYDYVPg&ust=1386162383617575" rel="nofollow - http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=VKKNFmNK1jxtwM&tbnid=MKcR4XdSfAQrEM:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geograph.ie%2Fphoto%2F3062208&ei=T9edUsC8IbGp7Ab67IDYAg&psig=AFQjCNERF5IXY7fI8EMv06AIoU2NYDYVPg&ust=1386162383617575
Still partisan obviously, but baby steps and all that. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: Sligo Hornet
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:07pm
Why?.....did he paint it? ------------- Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ? |
Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:07pm
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The thing is, while you cannot vote no simply out a fear of retaliation
and violence from the Unionist and Loyalist communities, you need to
accept that, even with a nationalist majority in Northern Ireland, there
would remain a sizeable minority opposed to union with Dublin, the same
way there are a sizeable minority at the minute opposed to union with
London. The unionist and loyalist community have, for the most part,
been big enough to see that there are hundreds of thousands of people in
Northern Ireland who do not and will never view themselves as Irishmen.
We need to understand that there are hundreds of thousands of people in
Northern Ireland who do not and possibly never will view themselves as
Irishmen. Now, there are quite a few northern unionist protestants who accept that they are a particular subset of Irish (the wealthy ones, mostly, who play rugby and cricket and would probably be willing to accept a united Ireland) but there are plenty more in the middle and lower classes who will never understand. They will view any attempt at rule from Dublin, rightly or wrongly, the same way as northern nationalists and catholics viewed rule under London and under the old Northern Ireland parliament (Craig, Brooke, Faulkner et al). The fact is, you cannot simply dismiss their concerns and some form of rapprochement would be absolutely necessary between northern unionism and southern government, and I cannot see that being quick or easy. A simply majority rule in the six counties, never mind the 32, is not going to fly at the minute. I think it is going to take a couple of generations, until people in Northern Ireland can fully trust one another again, until all the old terrorists are dead and gone and until the hatred has subsided, before people can see their common interests as northern Irishmen and as Irishmen outweigh any allegiance they have to London and the Crown. I think, until such times as a majority of current unionists, loyalists and protestants are at least amenable to or potentially accepting of a united Ireland, asking the question is only going to foment discontent and set the cause back. In this instance, while a united Ireland in the morning would be ideal, I think the long game is the preferable course of action. I fully accept that there are presently short term financial problems that would need to be overcome (even leaving aside any issue of national debt and whether a new united Ireland would inherit any debt from the UK) but those are not the major issue at the moment. If that was the only obstacle, I would probably vote in favour, and, in fact, if there was a referendum, I would make sure to register at my home address in the north and vote yes (knowing the vote was going to fail, of course, which it would at the minute, by about 65/35), but for the purposes of this poll I have voted no. I just don't think there is anything to be gained from holding a poll at the minute and think it would ultimately do more harm than good. To re-iterate, I am not saying we should be afraid of potential trouble from lunatics, but that we should be aware of legitimate concerns of disenfranchisement from the protestant, unionist and loyalist people in the north, who are a majority at the minute but would be a clear minority in any united Ireland. We would only be repeating the mistakes they made, in reverse, between 1922 and 1997. Edit: Is that better, TheEejit? ------------- 
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Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:10pm
| I think it should be a phased reunification process, starting with Fermanagh. Ten years later Derry can join the party. Obviously London can keep Tyrone as a souvenir before Armagh join the fold. Antrim and most of North down inclusive of East Belfast shall remain part of Lizzy's crew. |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:10pm
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SuperDave.. Do you have an enter button on your keyboard? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Flanno7hi
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:10pm
------------- Our City. Our Community. Our Club IG @flanno_7hi |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:13pm
Says the man in Chester. Come back Flanno and contribute to the Irish state ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Sligo Hornet
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:15pm
------------- Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ? |
Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:15pm
Yes, except there are plenty of other benefits you can get in the UK too. Disability living allowance is far easier to get up there than the similar one is down here, they get tax credits in the form of actual money direct to the bank account, rent supplement etc is better, it's a hell of a lot easier to get a public house (the lists are shorter and the housing more plentiful), etc etc, so while the dole itself is a lot lower, those who need cash can actually get it. The dole down here is generous, no doubt, especially for lads living at home who spend over half of it on fags, cans and weed, but there are other benefits in the north and a simple comparison on weekly figures for unemployment benefit is not entirely accurate. -------------
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Posted By: Stillhuntinghenry
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:15pm
| 12 West Brit bastids |
Posted By: londonirish
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:16pm
i started reading his post and gave up after a minute... impossible to get through! |
Posted By: Flanno7hi
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:19pm
I was waiting for that.
It's not really any of your f**king business where I live but I would be back in a second if it would do any help.
I can work in a job here and contribute by coming home often and spending money or I can live in Ireland and get the dole? ------------- Our City. Our Community. Our Club IG @flanno_7hi |
Posted By: AntrimMan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:19pm
No doubt SD - just answered his question directly relating the dole though.
I think in the context of the thread as well - the amount of money from UK and Irish governments as well as the EU that goes into less priveledged areas run by parilmilitaries in the form of grants and 'community workers' is frightening. ------------- @AntrimMan85 |
Posted By: Stillhuntinghenry
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:22pm
Don't know where you are getting your info from, there is a housing crisis up here, thousands on waiting lists. Getting DLA is now difficult as everyone has to go through a medical exam and an independant contractor has been appointed to carry these out. There is also a bedroom tax which deducts money from benefits dependant on the number of free bedrooms in someone's house. The Tories are squeezing the feck out of people. I saw an article last week which highlighted that reunification will be much better the north. |
Posted By: Fintan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:22pm
You're obviously not as you wouldnt vote yes on a 32 county Republic. This is the central element of being an Irish republican so if you don't support this you aren't a republican. |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:23pm
For a man who sounds staunchly Republican and would do anything for a United Ireland i'm surprised you'd even consider living in the United Kingdom earning the pound sterling. I'm sure you could get a job here. ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:24pm
Are Sinn Fein not republican for sharing power with Unionists? ------------- PropaghandE |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:24pm
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Posted By: Sligo Hornet
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:26pm
On you way home from Narnia? ------------- Wallet ?? What the fcuk is that ? |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:27pm
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Posted By: WindBag
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:28pm
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I'm Irish, but not an Irish republican....they can leave the 6 counties where they are.
They fooked up our Rugby team, imagine the damage they would do to the football team!
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Posted By: irishmufc
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:32pm
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@The E First of all I cannot understand why anyone would want to the north to remain under UK rule.This country should never have been partitioned.That aside as Antrim Man says it will be a slow,gradual transition if we do get a United Ireland and it will take years for this to happen.Obviously there would be civil unrest of the UK government handed the north back overnight.Economics dictate what will happen in regards to the north in years to come.A United Ireland will only be achieved imo on a phased in basis so the southern government can incorporate the north into it. This won't happen though for a very long time. ------------- Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been. |
Posted By: Fintan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:32pm
You're not my kind of Irishman anyway. |
Posted By: SuperDave84
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:32pm
No doubt the Tories are squeezing the sh*t out of people, but it's not rosy down here either. I've dealt with plenty of cases where people are made homeless from private tenancies because rent allowance doesn't come close to covering the rent, including tenancies where the tenants have loads of kids, all because there are nowhere near enough council houses and rent allowance is simply too low either to cover the private rent or to make it affordable for the tenant to top up the rent with a bit from their welfare. It partly stems from the increase in rents lately (caused by increased demand from young people, like myself, having to rent because we are not able to get mortgages because the banks won't lend, despite us earning enough) and the cuts in rent allowance at the same time..... it's something of a perfect storm. I know sh*t is bad in the north, but, despite the higher general level of the dole down here, I think it is worse here. Edited my original post there for ease of reading. And this whole discussion on benefits etc is totally off topic. -------------
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Posted By: Flanno7hi
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:35pm
My Grandad who was in long kesh also lived in england making money for a while I don't think that makes you not republican. Thinking that because I am a republican that I hate everything British and from Britain is a fallacy and a grand generalisation. Also not that it's any of your business but there is not much call for materials scientists with experience in composites in aerospace and the Nuclear sector in Ireland. ------------- Our City. Our Community. Our Club IG @flanno_7hi |
Posted By: The E
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 1:36pm
For something that isn't my business you're very kind to tell me anyway ------------- PropaghandE |