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Some amount of spares doing the rounds yesterday for this in the end.


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Bate! Some celebrations. A victory for football as much as Kerry.
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Originally posted by Jerryfromkerry Jerryfromkerry wrote:

Bate! Some celebrations. A victory for football as much as Kerry.

This sh*te of a victory for football is a load of bull. Kerry played just as defensively yesterday as donegal. Fair play to their management team they got their tactics right on the day which won it for them but really grates me when 1 team is blamed for the style of play and nothing said about the other
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Originally posted by eire32 eire32 wrote:

Some amount of spares doing the rounds yesterday for this in the end.

No hassle getting a ticket,always the same.
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no matter what tactical genius there is in the gaa football at any level it is always hard to defend the high ball into the square as you will always have a 50/50 chance of getting it and inevitably you will get a score from it be it a goal or a point - especially if you have a big man full forward like Donaghy or Murphy - Kerry's tactics yesterday reminded me of the old days when Bomber Liston was their big target man - Yesterdays game was more about containing the opposition o than imposing the game on the opposition - but the history books will show another Title for Kerry      
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Originally posted by Jerryfromkerry Jerryfromkerry wrote:

Bate! Some celebrations. A victory for football as much as Kerry.

This sh*te of a victory for football is a load of bull. Kerry played just as defensively yesterday as donegal. Fair play to their management team they got their tactics right on the day which won it for them but really grates me when 1 team is blamed for the style of play and nothing said about the other
Kerry only played defensive to counter the dire tactics that Donegal have adopted the last 3 or 4 years. . Kerry have played attacking football for years and only played like that yesterday as a means to an end. . Leaving 1 up front and playing bulldogs charge into the space didn't work yesterday because kerry nullified your one dimensional tactics. It was definitely a victory for football because McGuinnes might have to go off and come back with a new plan which might involve players focusing on a roundy thing that has to go over or under the bar to get a score instead of parking the bus in front of goal.
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You do or play whatever way you have to to get the required result on any giving day does not matter 1 iota to the winning participants,  many cup finals are huge let downs in all codes 
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Originally posted by RazorMac RazorMac wrote:

Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

Originally posted by Jerryfromkerry Jerryfromkerry wrote:

Bate! Some celebrations. A victory for football as much as Kerry.

This sh*te of a victory for football is a load of bull. Kerry played just as defensively yesterday as donegal. Fair play to their management team they got their tactics right on the day which won it for them but really grates me when 1 team is blamed for the style of play and nothing said about the other
Kerry only played defensive to counter the dire tactics that Donegal have adopted the last 3 or 4 years. . Kerry have played attacking football for years and only played like that yesterday as a means to an end. . Leaving 1 up front and playing bulldogs charge into the space didn't work yesterday because kerry nullified your one dimensional tactics. It was definitely a victory for football because McGuinnes might have to go off and come back with a new plan which might involve players focusing on a roundy thing that has to go over or under the bar to get a score instead of parking the bus in front of goal.
Have to agree with Razormac. Our tactics ringerbell were to play you at your own game to say the least. Was pure muck seeing 14 men behind the ball and thank f**k it didn't end a draw. Im very happy Fitzmaurice knew how to set up the team but there is no way we would have played like that against the other top teams in the country. When did we ever play like that? We tried under Jack O Conner to play our own game against teams with similar tactics to your own , and we couldn't come up with the goods. It might be more appropriate to say the game just keeps evolving but we try to stick to our values and how we believe the game should be played. Dublin will also have learned an awful lot from yesterday and their game against you. Next years championship will be very interesting for numerious reasons    
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In sport you always setup to play to your strengths. Seems to me people would prefer if we went back to playing like we used to and suffer the humiliating defeats like Armagh 2010 or Cork 2009. It's a results based industry and would even go as far to say if donegal weren't successful playing this way not a person would mention it

I know kerry setup like that to counter us but no one had said anything about it. As I said the kerry management got their tactics right and fair play to them on that.

Also razor we well aware that roundy thing must go over or under the bar to win games actually surprisingly enough we not to bad at that either considering have made 4 ulster finals in a row and won 3 of them (had won 5 in the other 120+ years of the gaa) and made 2 of the last 4 all Ireland winning 1 of them not bad going for a team that only parks the bus
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You have got to adopt the tactics to any given challenge Eamonn Fitz played a blinder yesterday.
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Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

You have got to adopt the tactics to any given challenge Eamonn Fitz played a blinder yesterday.

He got his tactics spot on and fair play to him on that
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Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

In sport you always setup to play to your strengths. Seems to me people would prefer if we went back to playing like we used to and suffer the humiliating defeats like Armagh 2010 or Cork 2009. It's a results based industry and would even go as far to say if donegal weren't successful playing this way not a person would mention it

I know kerry setup like that to counter us but no one had said anything about it. As I said the kerry management got their tactics right and fair play to them on that.

Also razor we well aware that roundy thing must go over or under the bar to win games actually surprisingly enough we not to bad at that either considering have made 4 ulster finals in a row and won 3 of them (had won 5 in the other 120+ years of the gaa) and made 2 of the last 4 all Ireland winning 1 of them not bad going for a team that only parks the bus
Exactly Ringerbell...It's not as if we won every game 8 points to 7 or anything...Racked up good totals in a few games sadly just didn't show up yesterday. We don't have as good a side as our main rivals so the achievements of the last four years should be celebrated, not frowned upon
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imo ringer Donegal don't utilise their marquee forwards to their potential. Murphy and McBrearty would get into any team. 1 spends most his time defending in his own half and other makes a cameo appearance from the subs bench. Nobody said anything about Kerrys defensive set up because everyone in the country knew they would play like this. McGuinnes should of played a traditional forward line instead of running into brick walls. Donegal will be remembered in years to come as a team who punched above their weight and played horrendous football. People might disagree and use the performance against Dublin this year as an argument but when the dust settles they will see it as just a freak result and very bad tactics from the Dubs management team that lost the game. That game was not the masterclass performance from McGuinnes that everyone thinks. It was a matter of Dublin making an absolute balls of it when they had Donegal looking like a junior team. Instead of sitting back and playing like Kerry did yesterday they went for the jugular as they have always done and got sucker punched. Donegal apart from the semi final have looked average all year. It was no surprise to me yesterday that they lost.
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Originally posted by elroy45 elroy45 wrote:

I love the way lads criticise the merits and skills of a game after a poor game (and this applies to all codes).  What were these lads saying about the game after the 2 semis I wonder!!!

It is very very often in all codes that the final doesnt live up to expectation, often due to the defensive tactics adopted by both teams.  Hurling is probably an exception but then you can be waiting a full year for a good game of hurling and three can come at once.  The hurling championship last year was incredible,  this year has been relatively poor in excitment prior to the final.  The football championship has had some excellent games throughout but an atrocious final.  Swings in roundabout, just enjoy the beauty of all sports for what they are, this putting one down over the other wrecks my head and is sourced from dark "foreign games" days. 


The Dublin v Donegal semi wasn't a great game. The game is only really memorable due to the fact the underdog won, while Donegal played well Dublin totally under performed. The mayo and kerry games were good but mainly due to the two games being tight affairs, not due to any major displays of skill. As skill goes it is by far and away the weakest of the four field sports played in this country.

Last year was the same, poor all year with one good semi and a poor final.

As for your assertion that you can be waiting for a full year for a good game of hurling?? You obviously don't watch the sport much. This year was far from vintage but we've still had Galway v Kilkenny #1, both Clare v Wexford games, tipp v Galway, cork v limerick and Kilkenny v Tipp #1.

Add to that the last three finals all going to replays and four of the five games being excellent spectacles. What were the last three football finals like? total borefests.

The game of football has slowed to a snails pace with flooded defences and constant hand passes being the template - except for Dublin (and Mayo to a lesser degree). The game is in a terrible, terrible phase of its development. The flair and skill of the individual player is being sacrificed massively in favour of team organisation. Hopefully it emerges from this phase and regains some semblance of excitement.

As a positive example both Rugby and Association Football have in the relatively recent past made amendments (in their rules and tactically) to help the sports become more exciting. So there is hope yet for football.

Oh and it's "swings AND roundabouts", swings in roundabouts makes no sense whatsoever ;-)

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10 principles that guided Kingdom's return to power

Colm Keys reflects on the dynamics behind Kerry's latest success

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Kieran Donaghys impact has transformed two championships for Kerry, eight years apart. They may not have won either without his intervention. Picture credit: Stephen McCarthy / SPORTSFILE
Kieran Donaghy's impact has transformed two championships for Kerry, eight years apart. They may not have won either without his intervention. Picture credit: Stephen McCarthy / SPORTSFILE
After Colm Coopers cruciate rupture in February, the pressure of expectation was lifted from Kerry. Picture credit: Paul Mohan / SPORTSFILE
After Colm Cooper's cruciate rupture in February, the pressure of expectation was lifted from Kerry. Picture credit: Paul Mohan / SPORTSFILE
Cian ONeill, right, was the first outside selector on a Kingdom management team.  Picture credit: Stephen McCarthy / SPORTSFILE
Cian O'Neill, right, was the first 'outside' selector on a Kingdom management team. Picture credit: Stephen McCarthy / SPORTSFILE

1 Kerry always adapt - The 1955 All-Ireland football final between Dublin and Kerry was pitched as a battle of extremes between radicalism and convention. Kevin Heffernan had opened Gaelic football's eyes to the deployment of a roving full-forward.

Dublin took All-Ireland champions Meath for five goals in the Leinster final that year and with a team hewn entirely from city natives the game felt an overwhelming swell of innovation that stirred great unease across the country.

But Kerry managed to lock down Heffernan that afternoon and the game felt a curiously sense of security once more.

Their capacity to modify, adapt and reinvent would manifest again in the 1960s to meet the challenge of Down's passing game and the power and athleticism of Heffo's Dubs in the 1970s.

Meeting the challenge of the 'blanket' defence has been slower and has required more compromising of established principles. But after more than a decade giving chase, any lingering pride has been swallowed for the benefit of pragmatism.

2 Never mind the quality - feel the width

A 37th All-Ireland title secured with a victory that had to be dug out. Kerry simply had to meet fire with fire. If that meant resorting to cynical tugs and pulls, they were happy to do that. If it meant running down the clock, then that was fine too. But let's not conceal the fact that it was as ugly as anything produced. Just because it's Kerry doesn't change that.

3 Two All-Ireland titles with 'Star' quality

He won't make any 'greatest' ever Kerry football team but when the audit of this era is being conducted, Kieran Donaghy's importance to it will be enshrined. He has, quite simply, transformed two championships eight years apart. Kerry may not have won either without his intervention.

4 From now on ignore the underage picture

Wednesday April 6, 2011: Munster U-21 final - Cork 2-24, Kerry 0-8.

Five of Kerry's starting team last Sunday - Brian Kelly, Peter Crowley, Stephen O'Brien, James O'Donoghue and Paul Geaney - started for Kerry in Pairc Ui Rinn on that humiliating night. A substitute, Barry John Keane, also started. Five more of the current squad too saw action, bringing the number of the current senior squad involved to 11. It was the worst night in Kerry's underage history. But translate to senior and it clearly has had no impact. The moral is that nothing operates in straight lines. Kerry haven't won any of the last six Munster U-21 titles.

5 And ignore league form too

Okay, it's lovely to win a league and the best teams will normally feature in the penultimate stages. But it's not an absolute imperative. Kerry have won just six of their last 14 league games under Fitzmaurice in two years. We won't fret for them again.

6 The important of status

"There was a quiz question around Kerry. Who are the only Kerry All Stars never to win All-Irelands. I was part of that question and I never wanted to be. Then Eamonn said at the start of the year - you don't want to be in that category. You want to be an All-Ireland winner. It stirred something inside me that I knew I was going to give it the biggest lash of all time." - James O'Donoghue in a sunlit Ballsbridge yesterday morning. Could a player from any other county say those words with such conviction?

7 Comeback kids

David Moran, Peter Crowley and Kieran Donaghy didn't start either the Munster final against Cork or the All-Ireland quarter-final against Galway but all three are in strong positions to be named All Stars next month. Donaghy, Moran and Killian Young have had a torrid time with injuries but stuck with it.

8 No pressure

From the moment that stopped a county last February with news of Colm Cooper's cruciate rupture, the pressure of expectation lifted from Kerry and they were able to thrive in that environment.

9 Welcoming an outsider

On these pages Eamonn Fitzmaurice has namechecked the football and strength and conditioning coaching of Kildare man Cian O'Neill and what it added to Kerry. He was the first 'outside' selector on a Kingdom management team. It didn't work out too bad, did it?

10 Faith

They didn't score in the second half of his opening league match as manager against Mayo in February 2013. But Eamonn Fitzmaurice declared his faith in their young players, stuck with them and reaped ultimate rewards.

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Originally posted by eire77 eire77 wrote:

Originally posted by elroy45 elroy45 wrote:

I love the way lads criticise the merits and skills of a game after a poor game (and this applies to all codes).  What were these lads saying about the game after the 2 semis I wonder!!!

It is very very often in all codes that the final doesnt live up to expectation, often due to the defensive tactics adopted by both teams.  Hurling is probably an exception but then you can be waiting a full year for a good game of hurling and three can come at once.  The hurling championship last year was incredible,  this year has been relatively poor in excitment prior to the final.  The football championship has had some excellent games throughout but an atrocious final.  Swings in roundabout, just enjoy the beauty of all sports for what they are, this putting one down over the other wrecks my head and is sourced from dark "foreign games" days. 


The Dublin v Donegal semi wasn't a great game. The game is only really memorable due to the fact the underdog won, while Donegal played well Dublin totally under performed. The mayo and kerry games were good but mainly due to the two games being tight affairs, not due to any major displays of skill. As skill goes it is by far and away the weakest of the four field sports played in this country.


Some of Dublins scores in the opening 20 minutes were superb. Donegal's gameplan and intensity against a team who were unbackable and talked up as being unbeatable was fascinating. It was a great game. 
The two Mayo v Kerry matches had skill in abundance and were also superb encounters. 

Im never one to compare different sports and its a pet hate of mine to be honest. The generic line i heard after the hurling final or football semis "ah sure how could you watch that soccer sh*te after a match like that" really got on my nerves. May as well compare Darts to Tennis

I enjoy both GAA codes and football for what they are. I did say yesterday that Sunday's final was awful which it was, for a neutral it was pretty dire stuff and the worst i can remember. 






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In fairness I spoke to alot of people who would enjoy both watching the Irish team and hurling and they all said you couldn't watch the football after the hurling. I watched the game with Georgia afterwards and it was fairly poor stuff.
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