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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

The merits of O'Neill style are open to discussion but what he does achieve is understanding his players and playing to their strengths. He will bring enthusiasm, passion and experience to the job as well as a comprehension of irishness and the irish psyche. And fundamenatally he wont alck in confidence and will offer players positivity instead of negativity.


Can't argue with any of that to be fair.
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To say he only plays hoof ball is just ignorant

Im not all for him taking over, but I cant argue with cabra hoops points there
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

 
O'Neill plays a pretty uninspiring style of football and wouldn't be my first choice. His reputation is overhyped and his achievements at Celtic over rated. It was Wim Jansen who knocked Rangers off their perch and brought Larsson to the club. O'Neill had a huge budget regularly spending sums in the region of 6m which were big fees back then. His failure to finish top 2 in any of his Champions League campaigns concerns me as does the two last day SPL failures when the pressure was on. That said, international football could suit him, I think having John Robertson on the ticket is essential.

Edit: I think the job is his if he wants it by the way, it's exactly the sort of populist appointment JD would cream himself over and would be popular with the fair weather fan that has as much football knowledge as he does.

He may well suit JD's perception and be a popular choice amongst many fans, but if the style of ball is chronic, people will quickly see through that and continue to stay away.

Yes, he broadly plays a long ball game, but not exclusively. His sides were never overly negative and he has often changed tack and formations to suit the players he's got and is never afraid to adapt when required. Something we've been lacking with our last manager and to some extent with both Staunton and Kerr too. 

I don't Robertson would be part of the management team  - at least not right now, as according to his wiki page he's in hospital after suffering a heart attack in late August.


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

The merits of O'Neill style are open to discussion but what he does achieve is understanding his players and playing to their strengths. He will bring enthusiasm, passion and experience to the job as well as a comprehension of irishness and the irish psyche. And fundamenatally he wont alck in confidence and will offer players positivity instead of negativity.


Can't argue with any of that to be fair.

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Its a pity that Robertson is not well as I think he is key to O Neills coaching team along with Steve Walford
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O'Neills philosophy is to get good balls into the box, most high swining crosses but thats his mentality..You wont get much of this attacking passing play but its in between Trap and Jacks style IMO. His players dont cross from the end line but from edge of the area. This has been his way all through his career, get the ball in early, no messing about!
 
A good cross will always get a connection... Good theory I suppose but I assume thats where his long ball merchants idea comes from...
 
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A question also. 

Is  the long ball tactics what put people off Trap or was it the negative tactics.  I think O Neill is direct, but he is positive rather than negative.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

A question also. 

Is  the long ball tactics what put people off Trap or was it the negative tactics.  I think O Neill is direct, but he is positive rather than negative.

Would say the negative tactics, especially at home

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Originally posted by Stoked Up Stoked Up wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

 
O'Neill plays a pretty uninspiring style of football and wouldn't be my first choice. His reputation is overhyped and his achievements at Celtic over rated. It was Wim Jansen who knocked Rangers off their perch and brought Larsson to the club. O'Neill had a huge budget regularly spending sums in the region of 6m which were big fees back then. His failure to finish top 2 in any of his Champions League campaigns concerns me as does the two last day SPL failures when the pressure was on. That said, international football could suit him, I think having John Robertson on the ticket is essential.

Edit: I think the job is his if he wants it by the way, it's exactly the sort of populist appointment JD would cream himself over and would be popular with the fair weather fan that has as much football knowledge as he does.

He may well suit JD's perception and be a popular choice amongst many fans, but if the style of ball is chronic, people will quickly see through that and continue to stay away.

Yes, he broadly plays a long ball game, but not exclusively. His sides were never overly negative and he has often changed tack and formations to suit the players he's got and is never afraid to adapt when required. Something we've been lacking with our last manager and to some extent with both Staunton and Kerr too. 

I don't Robertson would be part of the management team  - at least not right now, as according to his wiki page he's in hospital after suffering a heart attack in late August.




Yeah, I'm aware he's been ill, even if he came in before the start of the next campaign I'd be happy with that, he's believed to be on the mend.  There were issues between them when he didn't go to Sunderland, I think he didn't want to move from the midlands and MON wasn't happy about it.  I'ms assuming that the fact he's been sick would have sorted out any personal issues they may have had and it's only something I'd heard second hand about then falling out in any case.

I think Baldrick made a good point, although O'Neill's default style is quite long ball it's a bit more up and at them rather than negative and shutting up shop when going ahead isn't part of his style.
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Hoolahan and Brady can kiss good bye to the their Ireland career's if MON gets the job too.
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On the Radio Leeds thread.....

Originally posted by erimus erimus wrote:

Its a done deal. MON has been offered it and will be announced in a few weeks when he sorts out his backroom team


Originally posted by erimus erimus wrote:

thats what i was told about an hour ago
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/mar/31/martin-oneill-sunderland

Good piece by Daniel Taylor on O Neill when he was sacked at Sunderland.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Hoolahan and Brady can kiss good bye to the their Ireland career's if MON gets the job too.

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

A question also. 

Is  the long ball tactics what put people off Trap or was it the negative tactics.  I think O Neill is direct, but he is positive rather than negative.
 
That's a good question. I think some people are confusing long ball tactics with negative tactics.
 
As you said, O'Neill is direct, but it's a more positive style than Trap's.  It was the failure of Trap's team to be positive in home games that frustrated a lot of fans.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Hoolahan and Brady can kiss good bye to the their Ireland career's if MON gets the job too.
 
 
wrong , brady will be laughing , MON loves wingers.
 
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MON would do the busines for Ireland.
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Indeed, Brady is in the John Robertson/Alan Thompson mould........
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

A question also. 

Is  the long ball tactics what put people off Trap or was it the negative tactics.  I think O Neill is direct, but he is positive rather than negative.
 
 
Exactly don't remember much route one stuff when Henrik was in the Celtic team under MON.
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