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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Scheduling has nothing to do with how they performed last night tbh, its the exact same schedule every other team are on.

As I said in the previous post Wolves are being hugely under-credited with their awkward counter attack style where they specifically target full backs and have their winger and full-back double up on him and just shatter him. Did it to Mendy, did it to Young and yesterday Davies was another victim of it.

Wolves are a fine side and one of very few teams outside the top 6 or so to be able to properly rattle the top sides.

That being said, Spurs had a far tougher schedule than the likes of Liverpool. Shorter gaps between games. Spurs now play Tuesday again, Liverpool play Thursday. The rest and recovery time is essential and even if some of the sides Spurs are facing are in a similar boat, it's definitely more of a leveller for the lesser sides facing Spurs.
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I agree re Wolves. 
They are a top 10 side and with the financial backing can move upwards.

But Spurs should be beating them at home and I expect they would if they had 2 more days rest.

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Didn't realise Spurs haven't filled the quota for Homegrown players.

Makes sense why they didn't sign anyone/Went public with Toby's release clause. Need to sell before they can buy or he has to be English.
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Didn't realise Spurs haven't filled the quota for Homegrown players.

Makes sense why they didn't sign anyone/Went public with Toby's release clause. Need to sell before they can buy or he has to be English.

Vorm goes in the summer and will be replaced with an English keeper.
Dembele and Llorente are out of contract and will be sold in Jan if anybody wants them.
Janssen is not wanted so I suspect will be offloaded soon.

They currently have 6 so are only 2 short.
The keeper will be 1 so just need to add another assuming none of the other homegrown players leave.

Ideally they want to keep Vertonghen and Alderweirld but they are both out of contract in the next 18 months and are looking for that one last big contract.

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Didn't realise Spurs haven't filled the quota for Homegrown players.

Makes sense why they didn't sign anyone/Went public with Toby's release clause. Need to sell before they can buy or he has to be English.

Vorm goes in the summer and will be replaced with an English keeper.
Dembele and Llorente are out of contract and will be sold in Jan if anybody wants them.
Janssen is not wanted so I suspect will be offloaded soon.

They currently have 6 so are only 2 short.
The keeper will be 1 so just need to add another assuming none of the other homegrown players leave.

Ideally they want to keep Vertonghen and Alderweirld but they are both out of contract in the next 18 months and are looking for that one last big contract.


From what I see. They have 24/25 players registered, but only 7/8 from the Homegrown quota.
Makes sense now why their only interest in the summer was Grealish.

Georges Kevin N'Koudou is the other player Spurs have on their books who's surplus to requirements
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Didn't realise Spurs haven't filled the quota for Homegrown players.

Makes sense why they didn't sign anyone/Went public with Toby's release clause. Need to sell before they can buy or he has to be English.

Vorm goes in the summer and will be replaced with an English keeper.
Dembele and Llorente are out of contract and will be sold in Jan if anybody wants them.
Janssen is not wanted so I suspect will be offloaded soon.

They currently have 6 so are only 2 short.
The keeper will be 1 so just need to add another assuming none of the other homegrown players leave.

Ideally they want to keep Vertonghen and Alderweirld but they are both out of contract in the next 18 months and are looking for that one last big contract.


From what I see. They have 24/25 players registered, but only 7/8 from the Homegrown quota.
Makes sense now why their only interest in the summer was Grealish.

Georges Kevin N'Koudou is the other player Spurs have on their books who's surplus to requirements
The irony being that Spurs regularly select 3 or 4 English/home grown players every game, sometimes more.

Whilst eg Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal often struggle to pick one or two.

And I know the big EPL clubs will not tolerate being told who they must select, whilst there are probably employment/EU law considerations too.

But in principle at least, if you are going to have such a requirement, the test should not just be how many home grown players you have on the books, but should also have a minimum participation quota, too (imo).

That way you avoid the situation whereby the likes of Chelsea or City "farm" a load of young prospects in their U-23's, buying them off with huge wages/occasional loans/the odd Carabao appearance etc, before selling them off at a profit when the next generation comes through.

Mind you, City at least may have problems looming on the horizon, esp if they (and Chelsea) should face a mooted transfer embargo for improper youth signings. From March 2017:
"The identities of the four or five youngsters who will be included [in the squad list] has not yet been decided, but young Spanish playmaker Brahim Diaz, promising winger Jadon Sancho and explosive Paolo Fernandes are on the short list, in current form."

Sancho has gone, Diaz is going and Fernandes has spent this season and last on loan at Breda, where he hasn't played that much.

Still, Phil Foden plays every minute of every game, so at least he's all right... 



 


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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Didn't realise Spurs haven't filled the quota for Homegrown players.

Makes sense why they didn't sign anyone/Went public with Toby's release clause. Need to sell before they can buy or he has to be English.

Vorm goes in the summer and will be replaced with an English keeper.
Dembele and Llorente are out of contract and will be sold in Jan if anybody wants them.
Janssen is not wanted so I suspect will be offloaded soon.

They currently have 6 so are only 2 short.
The keeper will be 1 so just need to add another assuming none of the other homegrown players leave.

Ideally they want to keep Vertonghen and Alderweirld but they are both out of contract in the next 18 months and are looking for that one last big contract.


From what I see. They have 24/25 players registered, but only 7/8 from the Homegrown quota.
Makes sense now why their only interest in the summer was Grealish.

Georges Kevin N'Koudou is the other player Spurs have on their books who's surplus to requirements
The irony being that Spurs regularly select 3 or 4 English/home grown players every game, sometimes more.

Whilst eg Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal often struggle to pick one or two.

 
 
 
They have 3 English players that are first choice in their positions and start most games. Walker, Stones and Sterling.
 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

The irony being that Spurs regularly select 3 or 4 English/home grown players every game, sometimes more.

Whilst eg Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal often struggle to pick one or two.
They have 3 English players that are first choice in their positions and start most games. Walker, Stones and Sterling.
 
Fair point, esp if you include Fabian Delph, who's also appeared a bit recently. City's EPL starters this season have included:

Soton - RS
Leicester - JS, FD, RS
Palace - KW,JS, FD, RS
Everton - KW, FD
Chelsea - KW, JS, FD, RS
Watford - KW, JS, FD
Bournemouth - RS
WHU - KW, FD, RS
MU - KW, JS, RS
Soton - KW, JS, RS
THFC - KW, JS, RS
Burnley - JS
L'pool - KW, JS, RS
BHA - KW, JS
Cardiff - KW, FD, RS
Fulham - KW, FD, RS
Toon - KW, JS, RS
Wolves - KW, RS
Hudds - JS
Arsenal - KW, JS, RS.

I must say, I had thought Pep was rotating his players more - esp KW and JS - but it seems those two and RS are regular starters in the "big" games, with one or two of them usually being rested for the "easy" games.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

But that's the actual poorest thing about Dier. He does press lots of times, when he most definitely shouldn't. Then leaving gaping holes in front of the defence. He doesn't know when to stick or twist in that regard, an awful decision maker. Wanyama is miles and miles ahead of him in these scenarios reading the play defensively.
According to the Daily Mail, also the London Evening Standard, as well as wanting to sell Dembele in January (available on a free in the summer), Spurs are also open to offers for Victor Wanyama...

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I think the bigger problem is that you read the Daily Mail.

Not only is it the worst possible out there but it’s not exactly l’equipe when it comes to football news is it
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

I think the bigger problem is that you read the Daily Mail.
I don't.

A Spurs mate texted me to tell me about it, so I googled it and the DM came up first.

It's also in the London Evening Standard, but what would they know about Spurs?
 
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

But that's the actual poorest thing about Dier. He does press lots of times, when he most definitely shouldn't. Then leaving gaping holes in front of the defence. He doesn't know when to stick or twist in that regard, an awful decision maker. Wanyama is miles and miles ahead of him in these scenarios reading the play defensively.
According to the Daily Mail, also the London Evening Standard, as well as wanting to sell Dembele in January (available on a free in the summer), Spurs are also open to offers for Victor Wanyama...

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That doesn't surprise me tbh. There's definitely something not right between Wanyama and the manager. It could be anything, but I'd be guessing that the amount of niggles Wanyama has that he might not play through the pain barrier at certain times. 

The reason a lack of trust in Wanyama could well be true makes sense, because if Pochettino had full trust in him, and Wanyama was regularly fit, there isn't a game that is played where he wouldn't be the favoured starter over Dier. 
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Eric Dier. Simply abysmal. One of the poorest, dumbest footballers I've ever seen play at such a high level.
The 100 big-5 league players with the highest transfer value according to the exclusive CIES Football Observatory algorithm has Eric in at No.46, worth €81.2m:


That leaves him worth €3m more than eg John Stones - it'd probably be €4m more if he still had his appendix! LOL
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Raheem Sterling the 4th most valuable player in the world was surprising 
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Raheem Sterling the 4th most valuable player in the world was surprising 


Yeah but the value of Sterling is falling
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Well that puts me back in my box on any issue regarding Eric Dier.

It would make perfect sense for any side to snap up Dier based on such a list who is a long long way ahead of the likes of Varane and Koulibaly LOLLOLLOL

I mean that's what we are doing here right, conflating actual football ability to the value of a contract or potential transfer fee? So Koulibaly and Varane are rightfully behind Dier and Sterling is now a far better player than Messi. Anyone who says differently, I'll just post a link to that list.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Well that puts me back in my box on any issue regarding Eric Dier.

It would make perfect sense for any side to snap up Dier based on such a list who is a long long way ahead of the likes of Varane and Koulibaly LOLLOLLOL
What with the smilie and the appendix quip, I had hoped even you could see when I'm not being entirely serious. Oh well.

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

I mean that's what we are doing here right, conflating actual football ability to the value of a contract or potential transfer fee? So Koulibaly and Varane are rightfully behind Dier and Sterling is now a far better player than Messi. Anyone who says differently, I'll just post a link to that list.
I wasn't conflating anything.

But if you really want to play the serious game, answer me this, how many "absolutely abysmal" footballers might fetch even half* the value they assign to Dier's contract?


* - Here's a wee reminder: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/11/manchester-united-eric-dier-tottenham-new-bid
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