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theheff1989
Ray Houghton My name badge won a prize Joined: 08 May 2012 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 4667 |
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Having being back to both these stadiums this summer. Croke park is far superior IMO. No excitement or love for the Aviva. Was at the front of 114 for first half of Serbia game. Awful view.
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GoneToShowgies
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[QUOTE=Shebber] They'll both be lovely stadiums when they're finished!! [QUOTE]
This. All joking aside I hate the small side on the Aviva, absolutely hate it and it reckons the ground. It looks like an unfinished stadium that was designed badly. sh*te looking. Croaker can get away with the uncovered side because the Hill is big and standing. Edited by GoneToShowgies - 11 Dec 2014 at 8:33pm |
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Madferret
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The John Delaney I've more than one hole in the same arse Memorial Stadium?
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SuperDave84
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Tis worse in Americay.
Miami Dolphins have variously played their home games at: Joe Robbie Stadium Pro Player Park Pro Player Stadium Dolphins Stadium Dolphin Stadium Land Shark Stadium Sun Life Stadium 7 names in the 27 years since it opened. The Baltimore Ravens stadium has, from 1998, been variously known as "Ravens Stadium at Camden Yards", "PSINet Stadium", "Ravens Stadium" and "M&T Bank Stadium". The Oakland Raiders stadium has been "Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum", "Network Associates Coliseum", "McAfee Coliseum", "Overstock.com Coliseum" and "O.co Coliseum", at various stages in the last ten or fifteen years. It could be a lot worse than the Aviva stadium. |
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Madferret
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I read back my post and can't see the condescension you're offended by Devrozex, but if you are there was no intention so apologies. As I said several times I've no issue with ANY company sponsoring the Stadium and you are correct OFFICIALLY they then do have the right to insist their naming rights are used in all Official business,etc. I have no arguement with any of that. But what a company in a boardroom be it in an insurance company or the FAI currently name the ground matters little to the average man in the street. To me how the stadium looks architecturally is not convincing as an arguement either. Lots of stadia are renovated/remodelled, even re-located, and retain their traditional name. I don't see what difference the stadium architecture layout changing should impact on retaining the original name. I'd agree with you fully regards how largely sterile the New Lansdowne is from the previous layout, but thats nothing really to do with the name change debate. My essential point is that corporate names are transient and temporary so why attach yourself to them as a football supporter? The name Lansdowne will endure long after we are gone, "the Aviva" etc and other corporate names won't by their very nature, as they are based on the financial position of a company for a limited number of years so better to use the name that has been around and will endure than refer to the ground as a different corporate name every couple of years. We'll agree to disagree on this one
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Shedite
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Obviously finances and the FAI are a bit of a sore point, but for me, if companies are looking to pay money to have their name on a stadium, I'm happy to go along with that. Probably works better for a club side, would you begrudge Wigan fans calling their ground the DW Stadium? The money from the sponsorship deal probably keep the club afloat. Sponsorship money keeps football alive.
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Devrozex
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No need to be so condescending chief – I knew exactly what you meant I was just outlining points from a different perspective. For me the stadium is distinct enough from the previous one to not warrant being called the same name. I really wish we still had the old Lansdowne Road as I felt it was a much, much more intimidating stadium for opposition sides to visit. As I said the Aviva looks nice, but it is not in slightest bit intimating and opposing sides so often look very comfortable there. In fairness this has coincided with the quality of our national side slipping, but I think most people would admit the Old Lansdowne – with the pitch much close to the fans, better acoustics etc – was a more intimidating environment.
As for Shedite’s angle, I think he more meant that if a company is willing to put money into something that will benefit the grassroots of the game then they should be respected in the form of calling the stadium what they have paid for it to be called. I see your point that the naming rights of the stadium shouldn’t really impact upon the average fan – but that is just simply an opinion. For example I wouldn’t really bat much of an eyelid if I was chatting to someone in the pub and they referred to it as the Aviva or as Lansdowne. You, apparently, would. Again, I see your point - I’m just saying to me personally it is too different a stadium to be still called Lansdowne, though I have no issue with people calling it that if they so wish. As I said at the start, each to their own. By the way, was a UCD fan as a nipper but no real interest anymore. Either way if they wanted to rename where they play as the Cheerios Bowl, and the good people at Cheerios were kind enough to give them a load of loots for the privilege, then all the power to them! |
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Madferret
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Maybe my previous posts weren't clear enough tho I genuinely thought I done my best to explain myself including using bold. I'll give it one more brief go as I don't want to be guilty of sending the thread any further off topic out of respect to others. For clarity; I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO COMMERCIAL NAMING OF STADIUMS, if thats the route sports bodies/clubs feel is in their best interests then so be it. I also fully understand why the FAI and the media,etc would officially publically endorse/use the sponsors name. Of course they would for financial reasons, contractual/legal obligations etc. Thats not the issue so lets leave that red herring to one side. I'm talking about supporters. Football supporters. Who have only ever known the place as Lansdowne Road and their father and before him again only ever knew it as. That is all. I couldn't see any connection btw with Shedite's arguement between someone amongst their mates calling it after a corporate entity and then suddenly hey presto thats good for Irish grassroots football financially. If I'm not quoting him/her incorrectly he/she used the phrase "I'll call it what they want me to call it". I find that strange and a bit sad frankly. I guess I could understand a teenager of 14 /15 referring to LR under it's AVIVA name because thats all they have ever known. Will you still call it The AVIVA when it becomes the Supervalu Stadium? And what about when it changes to the Cadburys Cream Egg Stadium? Do you see my point? They are transient, vacuous self-interested corporate logo names. But Lansdowne Road, that will remain. I don't know what football Club you support Devrozex, but I used the Liverpool analogy and slightly tongue in cheek earlier but there was a serious point behind it. If KFC won the naming rights to Anfield tomorrow would you go about asking your mates are they going to watch the game in the The Kentucky Fried Chicken Stadium or simply it's name which has always been there and will always be there when the corporates moves on to another hobbyhorse? They can call it the I can't believe it's not Butter Stadium if they like, I'll only ever know it as Lansdowne |
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Shedite
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Bizzare comment re the money tree, you can give it a go, but I doubt it will work. Let us know. However, if Aviva give money to someone to put their name on something, and that money ends up financing something good, then that does work (see the majority of major stadiums in the world.)
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pre Madonna
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All sorts of clappy handy smilies |
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Devrozex
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Each to their own an all that ferret. Whether it is named after a former UK prime minister or an insurance company makes little difference to me personally. Besides, it is certainly different enough from the old Lansdowne Road to no longer warrant calling it that. The atmospheres in the respective stadiums are incomparable sadly, although I do think visually speaking the Aviva looks better. Nearly all stadiums these days have corporate names as well, don't they? That's just the way she goes I'm afraid. |
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Madferret
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Strange post. As I said previously, I can understand why the FAI & Media,etc would officially & publically endorse it as "The AVIVA" in press releases etc, even tho they would, I presume, call it by it's proper name amongst themselves privately. But I'm confused, how does calling it "The Aviva" chatting amongst your mates or on a forum etc rather than what the ground has actually always been known as for over a hundred years suddenly bring more money to grassroots football???? When you say the word "AVIVA" in conversation down the pub does a money tree for grassroots football suddenly appear on the counter? I'm gonna try this at the weekend. Apologies to others for going a bit off topic, but I've been going to that ground for nearly 30 years since I was a kid with alot of happy memories and suddenly calling it after a corporate entity jars with me.
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Shedite
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dunloybhoy
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if they do expand croke it gives them an excuse for dublin never playing an away game in their lives again!
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put em under pressure!
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Madferret
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Rossie's suggestion earlier about retaining the Hill as a terrace whilst completing a wrap-round of seating in a tier over it is about the best solution. The Hill is all about history & tradition and as others have said adds a certain quirk of interest that alot of these join-the-dots type stadiums nowadays lack. It does look a little incongruous tho in it's appearance, but thats a reason to re-model not demolish it.
In reality, Croker's capacity is too large, 60k would have been sufficient. But Wembley is also only filled once or twice a year and for some reason you hear less complaint's. As a pedantic aside, why do some people continue to refer to Lansdowne Road as "The Aviva"?? That is a very recent and temporary commercial name. I can understand the FAI and even media using that name for Legal reasons, but ordinary Irish football supporters?? Would Liverpool fans refer to Anfield by a corporate name if their club was temporarily sponsored by a Breakfast Cereal or brand of Toilet Paper? The All Bran Kop? The Fields of Andrex Road? **I am NOT by the way trying to draw an analogy between Liverpool Football Club and a mucky arse.
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GreenArmy!
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This would be great. |
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