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nibali doesnt stand a chance in the tiam trials though

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Roche down to 9th. Sanchez out.

If Roche gets a top 10 it'll be a great acheievement, AFAIK he wasn't leader of AG2R at the start but I presume he'll be now? He seems to be in better shape this year than he was when he previously went into the tour with that title. Maybe the pressure got to him
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Could drop out of top 10 (probably not more than a few places tho) tomorrow, he ain't the greatest time trialler and 2 or 3 behind him are between 20 odd seconds and a minute and a bit behind him. He doesn't quite have the legs to stay with the top lads every single day, but by the look of the way sky are driving the pace, he won't be alone in losing time, yer man Tarame went from 5th to 10th today after his great finish yesterday, while Menchov went up a few places in the other direction after losing time yesterday but finished with the leaders today. 

His nominal co-leader in the team, Peraud, is down in 43rd 18 mins down, so it is safe to say Nico will be team leader for the remainder, barring disaster. 






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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Could drop out of top 10 (probably not more than a few places tho) tomorrow, he ain't the greatest time trialler and 2 or 3 behind him are between 20 odd seconds and a minute and a bit behind him. He doesn't quite have the legs to stay with the top lads every single day, but by the look of the way sky are driving the pace, he won't be alone in losing time, yer man Tarame went from 5th to 10th today after his great finish yesterday, while Menchov went up a few places in the other direction after losing time yesterday but finished with the leaders today. 

His nominal co-leader in the team, Peraud, is down in 43rd 18 mins down, so it is safe to say Nico will be team leader for the remainder, barring disaster. 

Ya I know he's no use at the TTs which will make it some feat if he does get a top 10 (and I know that atm will be well odds against). He does seem fitter than the last couple of tours where he lost bundles of time very early.
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Wiggins really staked his claim today. Nearly 2 mins ahead of Evans. Roche is in 10th, 5 mins behind Wiggins
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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

nibali doesnt stand a chance in the tiam trials though


Did better than expected today Shoco, but himself, Evans and Menchov (2 to 3 mins behind) will have to take at least 5 mins out of Wiggins (and probably Froome) in the mountains to have a chance, given the 2 lads are probably worth 1 to 2 minutes more in the next timetrial. 

Roche did well by his time trial standards, tough job ahead of him to hang onto the top ten spot having said that. 




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Wiggins and Froome were unreal today! Long way to Paris but Wiggins is looking really good!
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would love to see Roche move up a few places....would need 2/3 really good stages though, but he did the same last year
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Cofidis team hotel raided by police and a cyclist is being questioned! Every year there is a scandal for fook sake! 
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

nibali doesnt stand a chance in the tiam trials though


Did better than expected today Shoco, but himself, Evans and Menchov (2 to 3 mins behind) will have to take at least 5 mins out of Wiggins (and probably Froome) in the mountains to have a chance, given the 2 lads are probably worth 1 to 2 minutes more in the next timetrial. 

Roche did well by his time trial standards, tough job ahead of him to hang onto the top ten spot having said that. 






yeah nibali did a lot better than i thought, the next time trial is over 50k i think so hel probably put over 2 mins in to evans in that barring any mechanicals

its gonna be tough for them to make that time back but it does set up for some good racing in the mountains as the lads know roughly what theyl have to do

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the bookies expecting fireworks tomorrow Nibali and Evans joint favs to win the stage
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How did roche do today?
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no racing today a rest day had a bet on nibali while ago to win tomorrows stage
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[QUOTE=thebronze14]How did roche do today? In the Indo he says he met his Gf Chiara,so I,d say he had a great dayWink...Think there are 2 or 3 that may not hold there top 10 positions on GC,Nico has a great chance of consolidating in the next week,he needs a sneaky breakaway and jump on the back or move with some team mates around(they seem quite anonymous)
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great finish to the stage today, would have loved to see viogt win it

roche finished with the main GC lads today and moved up 1 spot in the GC, should have maybe went with rolland and van den broeck as he was close to him in the overall

mountain top finish tomorrow so should see some action between the GC riders

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Not a lot happened as regards GC today, there is only the Pyrenees for Nibali to do something (looking unlikely that Evans will at this stage). Roche will have to try attack something or someone to regain top 10, don't think tis going to be enough sticking to the leaders for as long as possible and seeing where it goes from there, there are a lot of relatively strong mountain riders in and around him on the GC. 


And here's an article from Brad Wiggins about drugs, courtesy of the Guardian. 



There have been a couple of questions asked about doping this week and I don't feel I've been able to give a full answer. I understand why I get asked those questions given the recent history of the sport, but it still annoys me. It's hard to know what to say, half an hour after finishing one of the hardest races you've ridden, when you're knackered. The insinuations make me angry, because I thought people would look back into my history, the things I've said in the past, such as at the start of the 2006 Tour when I turned up for a first go at the race and Operación Puerto kicked off, what I said when Floyd Landis went positive, and what I said when I was chucked out with Cofidis after Cristian Moreni tested positive in 2007.

On the way home after that, I put my Cofidis kit in a dustbin at Pau airport because I didn't want to be seen in it, and swore I would never race in it again, because I was so sick at what had happened. Those things I said then stand true today. Nothing has changed. I still feel those emotions and I stand by those statements now.

To understand me, I think people need to look at the bigger picture, where I have come from, in the context of how the sport has changed, and how I've progressed. They see me put in a great time trial like I did on Monday: I can do it because I've worked hard to close the gap between me and Fabian Cancellara and Tony Martin. What seems to be forgotten is that the margin between me and the best guys wasn't that large in the past, even when I wasn't putting in anything like the effort I have in the past couple of years.

I do think that over the years I've laid down a few markers as to what I could do. I was fifth in the time trial in Albi in the 2007 Tour, behind Alexandr Vinokourov, Andrey Kashechkin, Cadel Evans and Andreas Klöden. The first two later tested positive for blood doping so I was effectively third, two weeks into the Tour, at a time when I wasn't concentrating on the race.

I had the engine already, and it showed that year when I won the prologues in the Dauphiné and the Four Days of Dunkirk. As early as 2005 I was seventh in the world time trial championships in Madrid: two of the riders in front of me, "Vino" and Kashechkin, were again, later, done for doping; a third, Rubén Plaza, was implicated in Operación Puerto. That year, I won a mountain stage in the Tour de l'Avenir.

When I look back, we now have an idea of what was going on in the sport back then, and it was a different era. Personally, I used to find it difficult. You'd be trying to negotiate a contract – say £50,000 – I had two kids to worry about, a livelihood to earn in the face of what was going on, and people beating me because they were doping. I had a chip on my shoulder as a result, and I wasn't shy of saying what I thought about doping because it directly affected me and the lives of my family.

Since then, drug tests have begun to work better, the blood passport has come in, so it's harder for people to dope. The chances of getting caught are far higher than they were. I do believe the sport is changing, if you look at what Ryder Hesjedal did at the Giro and what Chris Froome did at the Vuelta. As that change has happened, my performances have gone up, and at the same time I've begun to work far harder than I did before.

I'm not claiming the sport is out of the woods but doping in the sport is less of a worry to me personally, it's less at the forefront of my mind, because I'm no longer getting beaten by people who then go on and test positive or whatever. If there is a difference in my attitude now compared to back then, it's that I'm more focused on what I am doing, I pay less attention to what's going on outside my bubble because I'm not coming second to riders who dope.

It affects me less, in terms of my worrying about it, but the important thing is that nothing has changed in how I stand morally. Nothing has changed about the reasons why I would never dope. In fact, the reasons why I would never use drugs have become more important. It comes down to my family, and the life I have built for myself and how I would feel about living with the possibility of getting caught. I wrote it all in my autobiography back in 2008 and I still feel the same now. It's just I say it less. There is more attention on me, which makes me more withdrawn, and I don't feel easy in a leader's role, as [the cycling author] Richard Moore correctly wrote in his book.

The question that needs to be asked is not why wouldn't I take drugs, but why would I? I know exactly why I wouldn't dope. To start with, I come to professional road-racing from a different background to a lot of guys. There is a different culture in British cycling. Britain is a country where doping is not morally acceptable. I was born in Belgium but I grew up in the British environment, with the Olympic side of the sport as well as theTour de France. I don't care what people say, the attitude to doping in the UK is different to in Italy or France maybe, where a rider like Richard Virenque can dope, be caught, be banned, come back and be a national hero.

If I doped I would potentially stand to lose everything. It's a long list. My reputation, my livelihood, my marriage, my family, my house. Everything I have achieved, my Olympic medals, my world titles, the CBE I was given. I would have to take my children to the school gates in a small Lancashire village with everyone looking at me, knowing I had cheated, knowing I had, perhaps, won the Tour de France, but then been caught. I remember in 2007 throwing that Cofidis kit in the bin at that small airport, where no one knew me, because I didn't want any chance of being associated with doping. Then I imagine how it would be in a tiny community where everyone knows everyone.

It's not just about me. I've always lived in the UK. All my friends in cycling are here, and my extended family. Cycling isn't just about me and the Tour de France. My wife organises races in Lancashire. I have my own sportif, with people coming and paying £40 each to ride. If all that was built on sand, if I was deceiving all those people, I would have to live with the knowledge it could all disappear just like that. My father-in-law works at British Cycling and would never be able to show his face there again. Their family have been in cycling for 50 years, and I would bring shame and embarrassment on them. It's not just about me: if I doped it would jeopardise Sky – who sponsor the entire sport in the UK – Dave Brailsford and all he has done, and Tim Kerrison, my trainer. I would not want to end up sitting in a room with all that hanging on me, thinking: "sh*t, I don't want anyone to find out."

That is not something I wish to live with. Doping would simply be not worth it. This is only sport we are talking about. Sport does not mean more to me than all those other things I have. Winning the Tour de France at any cost is not worth the possibility of losing all that.

I am not willing to risk all those things I've got in my life. I do it because I love it. I don't do it for a power trip: at the end of the day, I'm a shy bloke looking forward to taking my son to summer rugby camp after the Tour, where he could maybe bump into his hero, Sam Tomkins. That's what's keeping me going here. What I love is doing my best and working hard. If I felt I had to take drugs, I would rather stop tomorrow, go and ride club 10-mile time trials, ride to the cafe on Sundays, and work in Tesco stacking shelves.





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Wiggins is, and always has been, different class altogether Clap

He's worked hard to achieve his current status in the game and will be a deserving winner of this year's Tour.

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