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Pipkin
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As much as I'd like to believe that all riders are clean, it is hard to believe it watching over the last couple of weeks. The biggest question mark being Froome. How he drove on the leading group on stage 7 and then somehow had the energy to take the stage at the top of the climb was some feat.
I must admit I don't follow the sport closely bar the major tours but that was some rise to prominence in last year's Vuelta. Suppose the same can be said for Wiggins but at least he had some previous form in this a few years ago. I still love watching it but the past will always hang over it. And there are still question marks over Roche and Kelly and TBH don't know enough to say too much about them but as far as I've been told both are very suspicious. But I must admit if you're just off the top level it must be awful tough to carry on knowing that most around you are up to their eyes in drugs. |
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deise316
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Kelly tested positive twice during his career, he has never confirmed or denied he took drugs. Even as (an excellent) commentator on Eurosport for the TDF, he tends to stay fairly clear of the issue. Roche, on the other hand, has consistently denied it, when all evidence, circumstancial as it may be, would point that he did.
As much as it is tempting to think that the sport is winning (and as Shoco pointed out earlier, it does more than most other sports to combat drugs), you only have to go back 4 years to Wiggin's first TDF (he finished 4th) to find that he was the only one of that years top ten GC finishers who has never had any drugs related issue hanging over him. Personally, I would believe the fella, he has always been anti doping from the outset of his road race career (and presumably was as a track cyclist), there is no way I (or anybody else) could say the same for the rest of them. Would doubt Nico Roche is on drugs, if he is, he ain't taking the right ones, or enough of them...... Edit, regarding Kelly, I forgot about the PDM episode where the entire team (and it was the strongest in the TDF at the time) pulled out en masse one day because of ' food poisoning' . To say highly suspicious would be an understatement. Edited by deise316 - 13 Jul 2012 at 11:47pm |
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Pipkin
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As a matter of interest, how did the Irish media report on the alleged incidents? IIRC Roche was voted into the top 10 Irish sports people of all time ever at the turn of the decade. EDIT:with RTE
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deise316
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That, I don't remember, Kelly's positive tests were in '84 and '88, the suspicion of the general public probably wasn't there, I would suspect the parochial nature of the Irish media at the time downplayed it (I stand to be corrected by anybody who knows more about this), given in the mid eighties, there was not much to be positive about in general, and we had very few successful individual sportsmen at the time, unless you count Eddie Macken the showjumper. I think it would have been a brave mainstream journo back then to come out with his or her suspicions.
Kimmage's Rough Ride came out in 1990, and he spent the guts of the following years being derided by all and sundry as a bitter, failed sportsman, while a decade later, the book became (and still is) a seminal account of life at the wrong end of the peleton. When you look at it, that book was the first time anybody had made a connection to an Irish sportsperson and drugs, (and nowhere in it does Kimmage say Roche took drugs) it probably took the Atlanta olympics in 1996 to bring it home that the Irish were no different to any others when it came to the drugs issue, and even at that, only one journo (Tom Humphries, whatever happened him ?.....) made the allegations, and he too was very much on his own for a long time. FFS there are still people out there who think Ms De Bruin was as clean as the driven snow (Hello Jimmy Magee). In short, back then, our media did not (as Kimmage memorably said of pro cyclists of his era in his book) ' piss in the soup' . |
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.....
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harry
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any bookie offering odds on wiggans not to win ?
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Pipkin
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These punctures have ruined today's race. Poor form from Rolland attacking
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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In fairness, he laid off once he got the message in the ear. And apparently it was all sabotage, tacks being thrown across the road by some utter lunatic. Caused Kiserlovski to crash out which is disgraceful, frankly. Peloton rolling to the finish now as a result, having waited for all dropped by punctures to rejoin. That idiot should be found and made to sleep on a bed of nails. |
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Pipkin
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Undoubtedly team orders. And he had gained nearly 2 minutes before he sat up. Sour intentions IMO. |
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tribalarmy
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Winner was ex-Real Madrid player Pedro Leon's brother.
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nvidic
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All respect lost fot Wiggins, on SSN saying the police should find those resonsible and sent them to a football match
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Shoco
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you sure he said that? he did say that if similar to what happened on the tour at the weekend in a football match they would have been arrested riders have no protection from the crowds on them big mountain stages and that it what he was getting at, at least from the quotes i read |
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Shoco
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frank schleck has tested positive for a banned substance
if he was doping it didnt do him much good as he got dropped plenty of times on the climbs! |
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Denis Irwin
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Frank Schleck after testing positive for banned subsatance according to SSN
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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harry
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ffs brings more shame on the event although innocent until proven guilty, has 4 days to have B sample analyzed
had him backed at evs to finish in the top 10
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The BIG P
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Really disapointing about Frank Schelck! I thought the use of drugs was on the decline but its obviously not the case!
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Howya now
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nvidic
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Tis exactly what he said on SSN, judging by those later comments though that he said elsewhere he mightve just said it wrong, will take it back! |
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SuperDave84
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Nicolas Roche up to 11th, 4 seconds off 10th. Lets hope he can pull a few seconds out of Pinot tomorrow.
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Pipkin
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Good ride by Roche, was dropped by the Van Den Broeck group on the final climb and made it back to them on the descent. He'll make time on Rolland and Pinot in the TT but he'll lose time to Kloden. Touch and go whether he'll make top 10. Wiggins tied it up today, as I'd say most expected. |
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