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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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I didn't exclude anyone from being Irish. I literally said he's as Cameroonian, French or English as he is Irish and I literally said he's native Spanish as in Spanish by birth or residency. That's the problem about getting into debates about things like this on forums. There's no need to use such emotive language as the following: "you're excluding someone from being Irish", which makes it sound like I said something completely different to what I did say. Funny thing is Transfermarkt listed his citizenship as "English" and when I posted about that, someone pooh-poohed it and said Transfermarkt is a disreputable website. Now Nathan Murphy verifies that he is in fact eligible for England as well!
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Wes_Wanderers
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That's fine, he's eligible for England as well which changes nothing of what has already been said, so what is your point exactly?
The more occasions I see you rabidly pursue these arguments across numerous threads with numerous posters above all other footballing issues, the more it becomes apparent to me that's it is a real obsession for you. You may try and frame it as concern for people being "claimed" as Irish against their will, but much like anti-immigrationists painting their views as concern for native homeless people, I think it comes across as hollow. If I was a betting man, I would say it is much more to do with trying to maintain a monopoly over your own view of being Irish. It would seem that this view of the Irish nation can not find a place for people not born in Ireland, and this is why you rail so vociferously against the notion that people like Finn are Irish. As another poster said recently, the irony of this narrow approach to "who is Irish" is actually very "British" in its outlook, it can not reconcile identity with birthplace if these things are not the same.
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DeclanDaly
Ray Houghton Joined: 17 Oct 2013 Location: Boston, USA Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
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Just to underline what Wes wrote above: Finn is an Irish citizen by birth. That is beyond dispute and it’s his right as the son of an Irish born father.
Beyond all the rehashing of old eligibility arguments, that’s this kids situation. Merry Christmas
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You Tell Me
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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Absolutely, but at the moment he's a Spanish kid and is apparently in the Spanish national team underage setup so it seems a stretch to be calling him anything other than Spanish in football terms unless he ever decides otherwise.
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Four-Four-Two
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he has made an substitute appearance again today
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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I'm baffled as to what I said to warrant a response like this response TBH. I never even said he wasn't Irish! Anyways.... Let the kid decide what he is, rather than a piece of paper like it's the 1940s or something. I have younger brothers and sisters who have Irish-born friends from places like Nigeria and India. Some don't consider themselves Irish, some do. I don't think it's my place to decide what nationality someone from a country with 250 ethnic tribes is. At the end of the day any marketing materials from his clubs and any promotional materials from the league he plays in list him as just Spanish. Transfermarkt lists his citizenship as English. He hasn't said anything about Ireland. And at the end of the day, he mightn't be good enough for Intl football (fingers crossed he is for his sake). |
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Wes_Wanderers
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Everyone is "letting the kid make up his mind", do you think starting a thread on a football forum is a binding international football contract or something? The reality as I have said is that none of us know what Finn himself thinks, so all we can say is that legally he is Irish (along with other nationalities), so there's nothing wrong with referring to him as such or discussing him. I really can't see why that would incense you so much.
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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I don't know how you get the impression I'm very angry or enraged. You're entitled to refer to him however you want as much as I disagree with your reasoning for doing so. In fact I agree with you that most of what's on this thread is pretty irrelevant until he plays Intl football or makes a public declaration about it. I think we're at cross-purposes TBH. |
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Fozz
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Hmmm.....Wes, you are creating sentiments and then arguing against them.
Better to just make your point, in my simple opinion. |
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johnvonp
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https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/6481166/stephen-kenny-john-joe-patrick-finn-declare-ireland/amp/
Kenny, Crawford and Mohan did a call/presentation for him recently. Spain and England also in contact.
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You Tell Me
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Good to see them trying although I'd say it's a long shot given the other interest. Possibly we would be offering Under 21 football given Crawford's involvement whereas England and Spain would probably be looking to get him into their Under 19 setup.
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kevincronin2000
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All we can do is try. With Ryan Nolan at the club too who knows
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time is the stuff that life is made of, don't waste it.
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JoxerDaly
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Whats the English link ?
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You Tell Me
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Incidentally England really will try for any player these days, regardless of the tenuous nature of the link involved. Given their playing resources, going for a Spanish lad with an Irish father and a mother from Cameroon is a bit of a dick move to be honest.
Spain you would imagine would be the favourites here, he is essentially Spanish after all.
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kevin100
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What in gods name sort of contact would he have to England? They are right to try and tbh his prospects of playing for Spain are a lot less then Ireland. It’s definitely worth trying to get him on board. The name would very much suggest an old man proud of his Irish roots.
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John Finn was a quality half back for Mayo back in the day. Would be good to have his namesake of Mayo roots in the Ireland underage setup.
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irishmufc
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No it's not ffs. They're entitled like every other football association to recruit any eligible players. We haven't done our case any harm going by that newspaper article so it would be an unexpected boost if he did declare for us. He probably won't but we could be surprised.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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johnvonp
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