Social Welfare.

Baldrick wrote: Well done daboi I think that one is really hits the nail on the head for efficiency.   If anything this drives people out of the family home and into either social housing or other secondary benefits and costing the state more.

A lot of people at this. Have 2 cousins, both qualified teachers with no jobs to be had a couple of years ago. Moved out of family home solely for this reason.

rossieman wrote: Citizen wrote: if they bring in new technology will we have the usual case of civil servants refusing to use the machines unless they get a pay rise? Well your talking bollocks there.name the last time social welfare staff did this.

yeah really,

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/use-fingerprint-machine-or-lose-wages-staff-told-3009207.html

Baldrick it was an honest question.

did i say welfare staff in my post baldrick? i said civil servants. 

Edited by Citizen - 04 Mar 2012 at 4:11pm

FREEWHEELER wrote: Citizen wrote: if they bring in new technology will we have the usual case of civil servants refusing to use the machines unless they get a pay rise?   Surprised at you making such a glib and lazy statement Citz.  My office recently brought in the electronic signing I spoke of, no fuss, no resistance and both staff and public very pleased with its implementation.  Civil servants, believe it or not Citz, do move with the times............yes there are dinosaurs and deadwood amongst us, but you get them everywhere.  And finally Citz, have you not heard of the pension levy which in effect was a pay cut by a manufactured name...........as I said Citz, suprised at you making such a lazy Sunday Indo-esque generalisation.

was not having a pop FW, but they did it in the immigration bureau. Job expansion and public sector unions don't compliment each other. If your being honest do you not think there is a culture of 'thats someone elses job', didn't you say before you were not allowed change the clock an hour forward after the the time went forward an hour in the winter? as 'it was someone elses job'.

There is also a culture of staying back and getting things done for no extra pay and doing what ever it takes but sure that does not fit the lazy cliche that many out there hold. 

Sure there was a whole thread on here about lads taking the piss in shops around the Country. Should we all now tar private sector or shop workers with the same brush.  No we shouldnt beause that would be lazy and glib as FreeWheeler says. 




Edited by Baldrick - 04 Mar 2012 at 4:20pm

Baldrick wrote: There is also a culture of staying back and getting things done for no extra pay and doing what ever it takes but sure that does not fit the lazy cliche that many out there hold.  Sure there was a whole thread on here about lads taking the piss in shops around the Country. Should we all now tar private sector or shop workers with the same brush.  No we shouldnt beause that would be lazy and glib as FreeWheeler says.

maybe so Baldrick, but i lived with a lad who worked in the Dept of an Taoiseach. His weekly work consisted of booking 15 flights per week. If he worked an extra 7 hours a week he was entitled to a an extra day off paid. so he used to stay back and piss about on the internet for an extra seven hours a week. this meant he got an additional day off every week, so he got around 40(extra) days off a year. He revelled in it too. Do you think this is right?

So when people do stay back after hours are you sure no overtime, or time -off inlieu is granted

jackshat wrote: Baldrick wrote: Ahhh the Irish approach to everything means test this means test that. That policy is one of the reasons we have such a two tier system where one group of people largely pay the taxes and see very little back from the state and another group of people do the opposite and it creates poverty traps etc. Universalism works pretty well in many scandanavian countries. In relation to means testing the pension who are you trying to rule out, I don't quite understand that point. Because as far as I know it is means tested. http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Department-of-Social-Protection.pdf Interesting reading this report. The flexi system on welfare is an interesting idea It's not means tested. There are multi millionaires out there who are claiming the full state pension.

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Principles of PRSI

The social insurance system is based on two fundamental principles:

The Contributory Principle whereby there is a direct link between contributions paid and entitlement to a varying range of benefits and pensions that are payable as a right – if and when particular contingencies arise, and

The Solidarity Principle whereby contributions paid by insured persons are not actuarially linked to benefits but are instead redistributed to support contributors who are more vulnerable. It is an expression of solidarity between both earning groups and generations.

THere needs to be an Incentive put in place that people on benefits can go back to work and still claim a portion of their benefits in order to make it worth their while.

I work in an area where we hire a high number of part time,
Flexible staff.

A huge problem for people is that I might offer them 2/3 hours work in a day, and they refuse because the minute you class a day a worked, your entitlements are forfeited.

At the moment the system would appear to be days unemployed, minus days worked, equals days paid.

A better system would possibly be 37.5 hours, minus hours worked = hours paid.


I sadly hear nearly everyday "it's not worth my while to work" for one reason or another.