Manchester Utd Thread

horsebox wrote: LVG won the FA Cup and JM won the FA Cup  and EL, both proven managers with a history of success. OGS hasn't won anything and more importantly doesn't look like winning anything.

Well Horsebox, you've just won yourself the award for not getting it at all. Congratulations.

I do get it.

Het-field wrote: [QUOTE=SteoC] What you seem to be forgetting or forgoing in your short-termism view is that there exists other clubs. Do you expect United to plan for the long-term and while actually doing so topple Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea?  They toppled two of them last season...  but to expect to build towards winning league titles in the long-term while at the same time winning them in the short-term is stupid. It doesn't even make any sense. Why don't they just win all the titles all of the years?

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Hetfield. You are totally not getting it. Which clubs constantly compete in the immediate while planning for the long-term? Only one club wins the title every year. You talking about Liverpool? Long way off last season. Chelsea? Same. No one team wins the title every year. If you keep playing short-term, yes you might stumble upon a Guardiola and win two out of three titles. You might be Chelsea and keep throwing sh*t at the dart board and sometimes the dart sticks and you night win a title. But no club has ever competed for 10 Premier League titles in a row, bar Man United. And they did that because they planned for it. Well, they're planning for it again. There's no need for you to be riled by that. Why do you care so much if you are not a United fan? You come across as emotional. Either you love Man United and are letting that emotion ruin your judgement. or you despise Man United and you are letting that emotion ruin your judgement.  




Edited by SteoC - 30 Sep 2021 at 2:15pm

SteoC wrote: horsebox wrote: I do get it. I don't think you get it - the majority of United fans (I'm not one of them) don't believe that OGS has the ability to deliver success for United whether short term or long term. Well that is just a totally inaccurate statement. United fans are clearly behind Ole. They get it. They've been through it all before. Old Trafford is in full support of Ole. That is not in question. Unless you're talking about Man United fans on forums and twitter. But sure, who are they?

Het-field wrote: SteoC wrote: Hetfield. You are totally not getting it. Which clubs constantly compete in the immediate while planning for the long-term? Only one club wins the title every year. You talking about Liverpool? Long way off last season. Chelsea? Same. No one team wins the title every year. If you keep playing short-term, yes you might stumble upon a Guardiola and win two out of three titles. You might be Chelsea and jeep throwing sh*t at the dart board and sometimes the dart sticks., But no club has ever competed for 10 Premier League titles in a row, bar Man United. And they did that because they planned for it. Well, they're planning for it again. There's no need for you to be riled by that. Why do you care so much if you are not a United fan?  Because being interested in football means being interested in matters that go beyond the teams you support. And as part of that I'm interested in the massive amounts of money being afforded to OGS, the players he has at his current disposal, and the alternatives he has when necessary, and the results that arise from them. I dont believe United are spending the amounts they are, in short periods, and assuming this is all a build. Players will age out, lose form etc and will need to be replaced in the long term. Fergie was a special manager. And he had a proven record before he took the job, and when his neck was on the line he won the FA Cup which gave him breathing room to win the CWC, before a league cup. The 1992 loss of the title spurred him on, and after that he was constantly evolving.

So, what you're saying is: you don't believe United should plan for the long-term.

Fair enough.

But you've got f**k all say in how United do their business. So what you would do or what you think United should do is insignificant. 

Edited by SteoC - 30 Sep 2021 at 2:21pm

SteoC wrote: Yes. Do you not know what that is, Brendan? Though I guess that you had to ask in the first place suggests not.

BrendanD88 wrote: SteoC wrote: Yes. Do you not know what that is, Brendan? Though I guess that you had to ask in the first place suggests not. You’re talking out of your arse Steo. Have you honestly been impressed with Solskjaer’s coaching? United have been outplayed my Villarrael, Young Boys, Aston Villa, Wolves, West Ham and Southampton this season. Clearly the style of play you mentioned isn’t working which is crazy considering the amount of top class players United have.

Solskjaer has beaten Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Emery, Pochettinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel... 

In fact, Ole is the only manager in the world to get the better over Guardiola in terms of the amount of times they've played. The only manager ever to better him head to head.

Should we judge him on those wins? Or perhaps the losses you spoke about?

Or maybe we should judge him when his five-year plan even begins in earnest? 

SteoC wrote: Ole still has the highest win percentage of any manager in Manchester United's history. He will be United manager for many a year.  He is building something. You guys asking why his midfield isn't good enough? Because he has a bigger plan than just this season. He had to patch up the mentality in the dressing-room. He changed that right around. Had to change up the man-management. Changed that right around. Had to patch up his forward line. Did that. Had to improve his full-backs. Did that. Definitely needed a whole new central defence. Did that. Needed a right-winger, did that.  Now he needs a central midfielder. No doubt about it. No one is arguing that. But he wasn't going to solve all of the mess listed above in two full seasons. Next summer, the central midfield will be addressed. What's everybody want? Everything to be all sorted in one go? That's not how you build a squad meant to last.  We all know Ole had a five year plan when he came into the club. He got the job based on his five-year plan. He'd building towards that, and has improved year on year. It's very clear he is not setting up United to try to win one league title. He is setting United up to compete for loads of titles over the long-term.  if that's not obvious to you all, then you are blind to what's going on at Manchester United. Ole's reign goes far, far beyond this season. Way beyond it. He's doing a fantastic job of improving the first team year on year while working towards his long-term vision. If you really wanna know what he's cooking up, all you have to do is look at the list of 26 teenagers the club have signed since Ole come in. Players from the academies of Man City, from Liverpool, from Real Madrid, from Barcelona, from Atletico Madrid.  But of course judging by the tripe I've read over the past few pages here, you lot wouldn't know anything about that—seeing as you all have Ole down to be sacked after United were beaten by Aston Villa. You lot clearly understand get it. There is more to football than the immediate.

SteoC wrote: BrendanD88 wrote: SteoC wrote: Yes. Do you not know what that is, Brendan? Though I guess that you had to ask in the first place suggests not. You’re talking out of your arse Steo. Have you honestly been impressed with Solskjaer’s coaching? United have been outplayed my Villarrael, Young Boys, Aston Villa, Wolves, West Ham and Southampton this season. Clearly the style of play you mentioned isn’t working which is crazy considering the amount of top class players United have. Solskjaer has beaten Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Emery, Pochettinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel...  In fact, Ole is the only manager in the world to get the better over Guardiola in terms of the amount of times they've played. The only manager ever to better him head to head. Should we judge him on those wins? Or perhaps the losses you spoke about? Or maybe we should judge him when his five-year plan even begins in earnest?