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No denying that both Liverpool and Leicester are very good examples but there are countless clubs who don't operate like either in the Premiership.

It helps that Leicester are a middle of the road Midlands club with reasonable expectations (not deluded like Watford or Everton for argument sake) while Liverpool have been extremely inconsistent as a club for the best part of 30 years bar a few glory years, so it was clear allowing Klopp the freedom to implement his ideas and methods over a long period (backed by the owners) was needed to get them back to where the club belongs.

Man United are victims of their own success, fans are restless because they can't accept they are no longer top dog anymore and are basically using every avenue possible to blame their worries on one man basically Confused

The funny thing is United could go out and spend £100m in January on players the manager want's and he's still getting the brunt of it?

Maybe if they just accepted that they're now seen as nothing more than a top 6 side and appreciate the glory years they would be more understanding.



The thing is, that is not what has happened. Since FSG have taken over, they've had an idea of how they want to structure the club and run things - They've made some large mistakes and learned from them and after a number of iterations have now come upon a set up that works of which Klopp is only a part - A very important part- but a part nonetheless. 
Throwing money at a problem without a plan just doesn't work - United are proving this. If I was a United fan, I'd be disgusted that nothing has been done to put in place a plan and a structure in terms of player development and recruitment under the guidance of a sporting director who has a vision and has been tasked with implementing it. That whole phrase of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results really springs to mind here. 

Well looking at United's goal scorers yesterday and recruitment this summer they have a plan in place it would seem?

Just their fans are getting restless because they can't see that the man leading them on the pitch is out his depth and want to blame the suits with no control over results.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

No denying that both Liverpool and Leicester are very good examples but there are countless clubs who don't operate like either in the Premiership.

It helps that Leicester are a middle of the road Midlands club with reasonable expectations (not deluded like Watford or Everton for argument sake) while Liverpool have been extremely inconsistent as a club for the best part of 30 years bar a few glory years, so it was clear allowing Klopp the freedom to implement his ideas and methods over a long period (backed by the owners) was needed to get them back to where the club belongs.

Man United are victims of their own success, fans are restless because they can't accept they are no longer top dog anymore and are basically using every avenue possible to blame their worries on one man basically Confused

The funny thing is United could go out and spend £100m in January on players the manager want's and he's still getting the brunt of it?

Maybe if they just accepted that they're now seen as nothing more than a top 6 side and appreciate the glory years they would be more understanding.



The thing is, that is not what has happened. Since FSG have taken over, they've had an idea of how they want to structure the club and run things - They've made some large mistakes and learned from them and after a number of iterations have now come upon a set up that works of which Klopp is only a part - A very important part- but a part nonetheless. 
Throwing money at a problem without a plan just doesn't work - United are proving this. If I was a United fan, I'd be disgusted that nothing has been done to put in place a plan and a structure in terms of player development and recruitment under the guidance of a sporting director who has a vision and has been tasked with implementing it. That whole phrase of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results really springs to mind here. 

Well looking at United's goal scorers yesterday and recruitment this summer they have a plan in place it would seem?

Just their fans are getting restless because they can't see that the man leading them on the pitch is out his depth and want to blame the suits with no control over results.

Who appointed him?

No, I don't think United have any plan on recruitment. 
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Who did the fans want?

Do you not think there would have been uproar if Solskjaer wasn't appointed because I do, between fans, Sir Alex, ex players etc wanting him getting the job.

Well I disagree there re recruitment, it's fairly evident that they're trying to move away from giving players a last big pay day by signing for United for outrageous sums on money.

If they sign anyone in January it'll be an up and coming young player, with the scope to improve.

It's easy for Liverpool fans to smile now though, they were a shambles and were in a worse situation than United are now for huge periods of the past 30 years or so.

Its shows no clubs are perfect.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Who did the fans want?

Do you not think there would have been uproar if Solskjaer wasn't appointed because I do, between fans, Sir Alex, ex players etc wanting him getting the job.

Well I disagree there re recruitment, it's fairly evident that they're trying to move away from giving players a last big pay day by signing for United for outrageous sums on money.

If they sign anyone in January it'll be an up and coming young player, with the scope to improve.

It's easy for Liverpool fans to smile now though, they were a shambles and were in a worse situation than United are now for huge periods of the past 30 years or so.

Its shows no clubs are perfect.
So, Woodward makes the wrong decision to keep the fans happy? Then he is at fault - Simple as that. A proper strategy involves identifying what type of manager you are looking for and then going out and trying to find him. Not just employing a name.

And your point about Liverpool being in a worse situation is exactly why some of Liverpool fans can see exactly what is wrong with United - It looks very familiar. 
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So if you were Woodward after Solskjaers stunning start in charge you wouldn't have even offered him a one year deal for argument sake?

I would be very skeptical if you said no, hindsight is a great thing.

In appointing Solskjaer they wanted a man who knew the club inside out and the identity of Manchester United (this has been trotted out time and time again) he came in and done brilliantly initially I think he deserved a chance (even on a year deal) 
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

So if you were Woodward after Solskjaers stunning start in charge you wouldn't have even offered him a one year deal for argument sake?

I would be very skeptical if you said no, hindsight is a great thing.

In appointing Solskjaer they wanted a man who knew the club inside out and the identity of Manchester United (this has been trotted out time and time again) he came in and done brilliantly initially I think he deserved a chance (even on a year deal) 



No, if I had a plan I would stick to it. Owners or people running clubs constantly crack me up.
Like those in charge of Everton who spent ages chasing Silva and then when they couldn't get him, appoint Sam Allardyce. Two managers with more differing approaches to the game you would be hard to find. 
If I had been running United and I had found myself in Woodward's position when he started considering Mourinho's position, I would have resisted the temptation to sack him immediately. I would have devoted my efforts to persuading Monchi to come to United after he left Roma. From there, you decide on what style of manager you/he agree on as a template for the future direction of the club, identify who fits the bill and only then dispense with Mourinho once you have who you want. 
Having somebody who "Knew" the club wouldn't even appear on my list of criteria for a new manager. 
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by ChesterCopperpot ChesterCopperpot wrote:

Not the sole blame, but certainly deserves a portion.
Seems to be an astute business man, but lacking football knowledge.
Has had a key role in the hiring of all of Fergies successors, none of who could be considered successful
Though not the only reason for the poor performances this year, the recruitment during the summer has to be questioned, a number of key positions leaving and not being addressed, namely midfield and upfront. Again, a Woodward issue

I would argue that bar a handful of clubs in world football, they would have taken hand and all to get Jose Mourinho in charge of their club so again no idea why he'd ever be blamed for getting him in? He also back Mourinho with huge funds/wages and again he's the one to blame?

I have to laugh at that point because your very clubs manager said he would have been happy to work with the squad he inherited before the season ended and again in June after they signed James and Wan Bassaka.

Then Woodward goes out and gets him an £80m defender on top of that? I agree United were light up top front when Lukaku left but there has to be a balance, even at a top club with spending on transfers (Especially when you factor in how much money United have spent in the past decade on transfers)

United fan's have the nerve to poke fun at Chelsea and Man City's spending, yet they think the answer to all of their problems is to outspend everyone else in the hope it gets them out of this hole they're in as a club?

A dose of reality and perspective is needed at Old Trafford and acceptance of the clubs new position as merely a top 6 club (on the pitch anyway)

I as a United fan didn't and wouldn't have wanted him near the club, but granted I don't speak for all but the majority I know didn't want Jose at the club either.

Laugh all you want, I mentioned recruitment policy, which includes the players brought in. James has turned into a good signing, granted. AWB is a good young player, but for 50million can't be considered a good signing. Maguire for 80m is crazy money as he is just about better than the players that were there already. Who sanctioned these deals.

Meanwhile, already not graced with an abundance of midfield options, Herrera, arguably Uniteds best player over the last number of seasons is allowed leave on a free. A number of replacements were discussed to replace him, two were probably needed due to the lack of backup and none were brought in
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Worst possible outcome! A defeat and surely Ole would have been under serious pressure, a point gives him a stay of execution. 

Would you have rather a loss than a draw?
 
If it meant sacking Ole and appointing a competent manager then yea.

I doubt you'd want Ireland to lose if it mean't getting rid of a manager you don't like would you? 

Depends on the situation?
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

So if you were Woodward after Solskjaers stunning start in charge you wouldn't have even offered him a one year deal for argument sake?

I would be very skeptical if you said no, hindsight is a great thing.

In appointing Solskjaer they wanted a man who knew the club inside out and the identity of Manchester United (this has been trotted out time and time again) he came in and done brilliantly initially I think he deserved a chance (even on a year deal) 



Ole got appointed on the back of the PSG fluke.

What was the rush to appoint him on a full time basis? I’m sure all parties would have been happy to wait until the end of the season but Woodward jumped the gun and made a poor judgement call, of course he has to take a lot of blame with the state of the current side.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

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Worst possible outcome! A defeat and surely Ole would have been under serious pressure, a point gives him a stay of execution. 

Would you have rather a loss than a draw?
 
If it meant sacking Ole and appointing a competent manager then yea.

I doubt you'd want Ireland to lose if it mean't getting rid of a manager you don't like would you? 

Depends on the situation?



I wouldn't agree on hoping my team loses because the manager isn't fit to be in charge for whatever reason. 

When push comes to shove you wouldn't really want to go to an Ireland game hoping they lose because you wanted X manager out. 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

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Worst possible outcome! A defeat and surely Ole would have been under serious pressure, a point gives him a stay of execution. 

Would you have rather a loss than a draw?
 
If it meant sacking Ole and appointing a competent manager then yea.

I doubt you'd want Ireland to lose if it mean't getting rid of a manager you don't like would you? 

Depends on the situation?



I wouldn't agree on hoping my team loses because the manager isn't fit to be in charge for whatever reason. 

When push comes to shove you wouldn't really want to go to an Ireland game hoping they lose because you wanted X manager out. 




Fair enough! I’d prefer short term damage over long term.

Thankfully for Ireland we won’t have too long to wait for a needed change in approach.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

I find it rather odd why United fans see Ed Woodward as much as a hate figure as Blackburn fans hated the Venkys or the Mags with Mike Ashley.

The sheer amount of money United managers have been sanctioned by him has been outrageous, instead of looking closer and blaming under performing players or managers the fans direct most of their hate and anger towards Woodward.

I do get that Woodward isn't a football man per say and has made mistakes, but it's very naive for Man United fans to think he is the route of all their problems imo.

Since Fergie left, there has been a number of people that fans say are a reason for the decline, it's just plain wrong to say Woodward has been the main blame. It's also wrong to ignore the role he has played in this, he has made a number of bad and very costly mistakes. As Borussia has pointed out, the club STILL has not put a DoF or sporting director in place, which given the fact Woodward hasn't a notion about football, means the club lacks any clear direction. Giving Ole a 3 year contract after 3 good months just sums him up, he made the decision that fans thought would be a good idea, rather than actually focusing on appointing a manager who was actually good enough to bring the team forward.
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Bruno Fernandes signs a new deal at Lisbon which no doubt has an inflated release clause.
Another fine piece of business from Woodword 
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Great to see so many youngsters getting a run out today, also great to see Lingard get his first goal in 28 games.

Astana are a terrible side.
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Had Astana double chance backed at evens, They only played for about 15 minutes and were able to put away United. 
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Alkmaar only drew 2-2 with Partizan Belgrade. That's a positive for United because it means they only need a draw to top the group.

It's also a positive for Scottish teams, because Alkmaar came from 0-2 and 10 men in the 88th minute to win, to knock Partizan out. It's another result towards Scotland getting a second Champions League place, as Serbia is one of the countries they need to overcome. There's a strong chance that Scotland will rise in the rankings and get a second UCL place.
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The axe must be hovering after another poor result yesterday
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