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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I did think he tried at times, more than others, but there was no options at all. We played a full international match without a midfield of any description, that is very hard for either wing-back to find somebody to link what.

A match? We've played 2 campaigns without a midfield! 

Between Seamus and Walters being too afraid to be say it how it is, it's obvious Martin uses his authority as a weapon to drop people if they say something he doesn't agree with.

A proper control freak.
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I still think Walters spoke well, he gave away a lot in what he didn't say and what was implied. He was hardly going to come out and say MON out! 
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Originally posted by ShamtheRam ShamtheRam wrote:

Sorry now. I absolutely love the lad but Séamus has shown me the last few games he's nothing but a yes man.

His interview after the game tonight and on Saturday have been pathetic. Fair enough he's captain and he has to toe the party line to a degree but the captains armband allows him some ability to be a bit more honest than the next fella. 

He had the cheek to say that tonights result was a good result and a good performance. If he thought tonight was good then he should not be captain. 

Coleman is in an unenviable position as the captain of a struggling team, having to face the media and put some positive/deflection spin on it despite what he may  personally feel. This is nothing new and like our senior players in times past backing Stan when he was under pressure, Coleman like a responsible team captain needs to keep harmony between management and the players. 

I would take Coleman's approach over your avatar's mutinous one in 02. I would regard it a bit of  'cheek' when Roy Keane was having a go at injured Irish players in the summer and 'pathetic' to how he basically treated the Irish national team when he was captain and decided to make himself unavailable to games he viewed as meaningless. 

Would you have held your avatar to the same standards you're attacking a much better Irish captain for? 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by ShamtheRam ShamtheRam wrote:

Sorry now. I absolutely love the lad but Séamus has shown me the last few games he's nothing but a yes man.

His interview after the game tonight and on Saturday have been pathetic. Fair enough he's captain and he has to toe the party line to a degree but the captains armband allows him some ability to be a bit more honest than the next fella. 

He had the cheek to say that tonights result was a good result and a good performance. If he thought tonight was good then he should not be captain. 

Coleman is in an unenviable position as the captain of a struggling team, having to face the media and put some positive/deflection spin on it despite what he may  personally feel. This is nothing new and like our senior players in times past backing Stan when he was under pressure, Coleman like a responsible team captain needs to keep harmony between management and the players. 

I would take Coleman's approach over your avatar's mutinous one in 02. I would regard it a bit of  'cheek' when Roy Keane was having a go at injured Irish players in the summer and 'pathetic' to how he basically treated the Irish national team when he was captain and decided to make himself unavailable to games he viewed as meaningless. 

Would you have held your avatar to the same standards you're attacking a much better Irish captain for? 

Ya but coleman is no keane. Keane can be forgiven for basically anything cause he was awesome on the pitch. What we would do for him now.


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Keane can be forgiven for basically anything


No, he can’t.
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I think people are being a little harsh on Coleman.

Seriously what did people expect him to say?

"We're sh*t and the manager has no clue what he is doing"

I'd imagine he got told off for his honest answer the other day to the press and has been told to be conservative in what he says.

In a sense though he was right, we did defend better then we did in the last few games, The Danes only had 1 shot on target and he admitted we needed to get forward more.
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We camped 11 men in our box. There wasn't an inch of space. Thats not praise btw but when you have one team who refuses to come out to play and just sets up camp on their goal line its extremely difficukt to break down.  Add in Delany, Sisto, who were missing and a half arsed Eriksen who only played 45 mins and their chances decreased further.  Plus they missed a few sitters. Yer man hit the post with half the goal open. Yer man who blazed over fron 3yds out. Had one gone in the heads would have dropped and more wouod have followed.
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Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Originally posted by Dugs Dugs wrote:

Keane can be forgiven for basically anything


No, he can’t.

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I’d expect him to say that performances haven’t been where they should be. 
I’d expect him to say that maybe 11 men behind the ball for 90mins in a ‘friendly’ isn’t right 
I’d expect some honesty. 
No one expects him to come out and slate the set up or the joke in charge but he should have some balls and courage to call it 
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Shane Duffy needs to be given the captains armband, one of the few players to come out with any credit over the last 12-18 months.

An absolutely frightening thought, and would be the final nail in the coffin for us becoming an actual football team again anytime soon.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I did think he tried at times, more than others, but there was no options at all. We played a full international match without a midfield of any description, that is very hard for either wing-back to find somebody to link what.

This is the main issue.

Coleman is being beaten down more for his comments recently more than his performances. I don't agree with anything he has said as regards the management team, and he's clearly towing the party line, but there's not really much he or other players can say. He can't come out and straight out lambast MON for his abysmal management, can he?
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We’ve no actual leaders around at the moment, I can’t think of anyone who would inspire and demand more from the players. 

Duffy is the obvious candidate but people will have their reservations due to his style of play.

As a Derry man he’s also likely to me even more loyal to Martin too and will say all the ‘right’ things.

Also as O’Neill inexplicably calls up and drops certain players it’s impossible to know who will start in certain positions, making it even harder to pick a captain.

At the moment, Darren Randolph is the only player guaranteed to play every game... oh and Jeff Hendrick.

For now Coleman will stay on as captain, but I don’t think a new manager would keep him on. 
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

I’d expect him to say that performances haven’t been where they should be. 
I’d expect him to say that maybe 11 men behind the ball for 90mins in a ‘friendly’ isn’t right 
I’d expect some honesty. 
No one expects him to come out and slate the set up or the joke in charge but he should have some balls and courage to call it 

If Coleman is honest he will be slating the setup and the management team. I've no doubt that MON doesn't take kindly to any of the players feeding the idea in the media of a team unhappy with their manager. Hendrick gave a quick interview and it was hilarious, he couldn't say a negative word. He knew if he does, it won't end well for him. 
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Shane Duffy as captain. Seriously, if i was to look to him for inspiration LOL
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Shane Duffy as captain. Seriously, if i was to look to him for inspiration LOL

why wouldnt you. hes seems to be a leader. puts his body on the line all the time. well thought of in the premier league him and dunk at brighton. hes the obvious choice IMO.
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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Shane Duffy as captain. Seriously, if i was to look to him for inspiration LOL
Any man that thought getting up on Katie Price was a good idea should be nowhere near the armband. 
He seems vocal enough maybe that’s why some are speaking of him as captain material but no thanks
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Shane Duffy as captain. Seriously, if i was to look to him for inspiration LOL

why wouldnt you. hes seems to be a leader. puts his body on the line all the time. well thought of in the premier league him and dunk at brighton. hes the obvious choice IMO.

If Duffy was a real leader or a quality defender as a lot on here believe him to be, he'd be marching Long and Keogh alongside him up towards the centre circle every chance he gets - and if the midfield weren't pressing at times from that higher position then, Duffy would be tearing into them for not doing their jobs.

That's not what happens though. MON tactics or not, Duffy point blank never wants to leave the edge of his own box. He is one of our biggest problems in that regard and any decent manager coming in will spot that straight away. He can only defend one way, and it has a horrid effect on the rest of the side when we let this incredibly deep sitting back go on.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Shane Duffy as captain. Seriously, if i was to look to him for inspiration LOL

why wouldnt you. hes seems to be a leader. puts his body on the line all the time. well thought of in the premier league him and dunk at brighton. hes the obvious choice IMO.

If Duffy was a real leader or a quality defender as a lot on here believe him to be, he'd be marching Long and Keogh alongside him up towards the centre circle every chance he gets - and if the midfield weren't pressing at times from that higher position then, Duffy would be tearing into them for not doing their jobs.

That's not what happens though. MON tactics or not, Duffy point blank never wants to leave the edge of his own box. He is one of our biggest problems in that regard and any decent manager coming in will spot that straight away. He can only defend one way, and it has a horrid effect on the rest of the side when we let this incredibly deep sitting back go on.


Sssh, stop telling the truth........they don't like it if you criticize the sacred cow. And as for Uncle Tom Coleman, the less said the better.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Shane Duffy as captain. Seriously, if i was to look to him for inspiration LOL

why wouldnt you. hes seems to be a leader. puts his body on the line all the time. well thought of in the premier league him and dunk at brighton. hes the obvious choice IMO.

Look, all i am saying is, he is not the brightest lad and not exactly capable of giving a rousing pre match war cry and generate overall inspiration. Gormless type. 

 
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