Séamus Coleman

Dont think i have ever commented on clark, nothing against coleman at all just pointing out his failings as a right back so far, he seems to struggle with his positional sense, and i think if you look at the tackle again he gets nothing on the ball defo peno

Mick_G wrote: El_nino wrote: daithi wrote: Getting away with murder again today, should have been a peno against him aswell never a pen. He got the ball. It was a good tackle. Thought he has been very solid myself. +1 what have people got against the lad he gets a serious amount of abuse on here from the same people who portray Clark like McGrath

Have seen them given. Looking at it again on the box it looks like a peno in fairness

daithi wrote: Dont think i have ever commented on clark, nothing against coleman at all just pointing out his failings as a right back so far, he seems to struggle with his positional sense, and i think if you look at the tackle again he gets nothing on the ball defo peno

Edited by fochie - 21 Oct 2012 at 6:11pm

I thought the peno could've been given if the ref saw it from another angle. But the argument about his positional sense being poor is a strange one (if you take out people saying that to have their initial opinions "vindicated"). I don't even know what situations people are referring to. Can someone point out one incident where he was caught "out of position" today? Baines looked a look more shakier defending at times than Coleman did.

Thought he was fairly solid today apart from that tackle, which could and possibly should, have been a peno.

It's hilarious to think that he's playing at right back regularly now for a team sitting 4th in the Premier League and some lads would still be happier to see the likes of McShane in there.

the problem was he miscontrolled the ball when it came to him the first time and didnt clear it and then was forced to make a recovery tackle which he just about got away with

Green Devil wrote: Trapped wrote: I thought the peno could've been given if the ref saw it from another angle. But the argument about his positional sense being poor is a strange one (if you take out people saying that to have their initial opinions "vindicated"). I don't even know what situations people are referring to. Can someone point out one incident where he was caught "out of position" today? Baines looked a look more shakier defending at times than Coleman did. Thought he was fairly solid today apart from that tackle, which could and possibly should, have been a peno. It's hilarious to think that he's playing at right back regularly now for a team sitting 4th in the Premier League and some lads would still be happier to see the likes of McShane in there. Who???!!

There were at least three comments citing McShane to be better than Coleman at right back before but I can't find them on this thread - they may been around the time McShane played against Italy or the Serbia match when he also played right back. Think there was another Coleman thread before.

Anyway GD, you obviously don't fancy Coleman at right back, so who would you prefer? Here are your options:

1. Stephen Kelly, who has a total of 21 minutes League Cup football to his name this season for Fulham. Also rumours of him not willing to travel to Faroe's.
2. Kevin Foley, who has only played the last 3 games for Wolves in the Championship and who, in all likelihood, won't be back after his bad treatment. Nor has he shown any great potential for Ireland.
3. John O'Shea, who proved to be no longer capable of playing right back in Poland and barely put a foot right in the whole tournament.
4. Paul McShane, who with respect, has proved to be a complete liability at defending and offers very little going forward.

The choice is yours

'twas a peno for me, played well apart from that tho

Mick_G wrote: daithi wrote: Dont think i have ever commented on clark, nothing against coleman at all just pointing out his failings as a right back so far, he seems to struggle with his positional sense, and i think if you look at the tackle again he gets nothing on the ball defo peno I wasn't taking about you directly I just think people over analyse his performance

No prob mick , i'm probably over critical of him been as too many on here start drooling when a new young lad comes along in whatever position and automatically think because he is playing at x y or z that he is the absolute answer to our prayers straight off the bat, i personally would rather he was playing wing, but as i said before he is still learning his trade and does have a lot more to learn on the defensive side of his play

He still has a lot to learn at Rb. He is not very solid there put it that way. But I think he has great potential for the position and just needs more experience, he could be a real top right back and I'd still have him a guarenteed starter for us the moment. I think having full backs who are comfortable moving the ball forward is something we have been missing under Trap the last while and it is one of the reasons we play so many long balls!

Edited by t_rAndy - 21 Oct 2012 at 10:51pm