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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Ah holy fck just seen the Guinness add promoting the all blacks game, sweet Jesus living in the past wha



What do you mean.  If it wasn't for the Munster v All Blacks game none of us would be 12ft tall now.
Ah yes the oul David and Goliath bullsh*t trotted out again


Translation for the ad:

Bunch of amateur rugby players from New Zealand get to take time off from work to go on a 6 week rugby holiday to Britain and EIRE.  Go on the lash and play a few games and have a few sing songs with the opposition after.    One day played hungover and lost in a friendly.
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We haven't seen an obsession for 31 October 1978 since Michael Meyers went on a killing spree.  Except the difference is that Michael Meyers was able to repeated the feat of that fateful day.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

8 rugby world cups-4 winners

NZ- 1987, 2011, 2015
Australia- 1991,1999
South Africa- 1995, 2007
England- 2003

8 FIFA world cup sinces 1987 Rugby one- 5 winners

Germany- 1990*, 2014
Brazil- 1994, 2002
France, 1998, 2018
Italy- 2006
Spain- 2010

* As West Germany

Not much difference

Outside of Spain who were probably one the best sporting teams of the last 20 years majority of the World cups finals played have contained the above teams


Finalists and semi finalists present a very different picture.

In rugby there have been 4 different winners, 5 different finalists and 8 different semi finalists.

Over the same period in football, there have been 5 different winners, 8 different finalists and 16 different semi finalists.

That is a damn sight more varied.

The Rugby World Cup is one of the least competitive competitions going. When you have the elite nations doing everything to protect the status quo it will stay like that. By far the biggest story of the last world cup should have been Japan, a team who beat South Africa and should easily then have made the QF and possibly even further. Instead they were forced to play Scotland just a few days after the South Africa game effectively giving a walkover. So instead of being the story of the world cup, they were dumped out by a competition set up to protect the bigger teams.

Rugby has enough issues without such disgraceful systemic stuff going on (funnier still I remember well at the time of the World Cup that Japan's treatment got very little coverage). Imagine such a thing happened to Ireland in a World Cup group stage?

Btw on your use of world cup winners, I'd be very interested to see comparisons between Rugby World Cups, Soccer World Cups, and other comps from the QF stage or rounds before that. I'm guessing rugby has had about 11/12 different QF participants in those 8 world cups so far. That is absolutely appalling in the 30 plus years since the inaugural tournament  no matter what way you paint it.
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One Woman dominates the town of Haddenfield
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Laurie Stroud


She is untouchable


...And that's your fate today all the Haddenfield men were told

...But one man wouldn't listen

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With one stab he slayed a load of people DEAD

..and every Haddenfield person felt 2 ft tall


31 October 1978
The day one Supernatural mass murderer
Killed a whole town


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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

8 rugby world cups-4 winners

NZ- 1987, 2011, 2015
Australia- 1991,1999
South Africa- 1995, 2007
England- 2003

8 FIFA world cup sinces 1987 Rugby one- 5 winners

Germany- 1990*, 2014
Brazil- 1994, 2002
France, 1998, 2018
Italy- 2006
Spain- 2010

* As West Germany

Not much difference

Outside of Spain who were probably one the best sporting teams of the last 20 years majority of the World cups finals played have contained the above teams


Finalists and semi finalists present a very different picture.

In rugby there have been 4 different winners, 5 different finalists and 8 different semi finalists.

Over the same period in football, there have been 5 different winners, 8 different finalists and 16 different semi finalists.

That is a damn sight more varied.

The Rugby World Cup is one of the least competitive competitions going. When you have the elite nations doing everything to protect the status quo it will stay like that. By far the biggest story of the last world cup should have been Japan, a team who beat South Africa and should easily then have made the QF and possibly even further. Instead they were forced to play Scotland just a few days after the South Africa game effectively giving a walkover. So instead of being the story of the world cup, they were dumped out by a competition set up to protect the bigger teams.

Rugby has enough issues without such disgraceful systemic stuff going on (funnier still I remember well at the time of the World Cup that Japan's treatment got very little coverage). Imagine such a thing happened to Ireland in a World Cup group stage?

Btw on your use of world cup winners, I'd be very interested to see comparisons between Rugby World Cups, Soccer World Cups, and other comps from the QF stage or rounds before that. I'm guessing rugby has had about 11/12 different QF participants in those 8 world cups so far. That is absolutely appalling in the 30 plus years since the inaugural tournament  no matter what way you paint it.

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The Rugby World Cup is one of the least competitive competitions going. When you have the elite nations doing everything to protect the status quo it will stay like that. By far the biggest story of the last world cup should have been Japan, a team who beat South Africa and should easily then have made the QF and possibly even further. Instead they were forced to play Scotland just a few days after the South Africa game effectively giving a walkover. So instead of being the story of the world cup, they were dumped out by a competition set up to protect the bigger teams.

Rugby has enough issues without such disgraceful systemic stuff going on (funnier still I remember well at the time of the World Cup that Japan's treatment got very little coverage). Imagine such a thing happened to Ireland in a World Cup group stage?


I agree the schedule for Rugby World Cup is terrible but having 5 teams in the one group is going to do that unfortunately one team is always going to be the odd one out and have to play two games in a short space of time, In this case Japan who were the bottom seeds in the group.

I believe it did get a good bit of coverage and is something World Rugby has vowed to change in the next World Cups, there is talk that the 2023 world cup will be expanded to 24 teams so that groups can be split into 6 groups of 4 but that decision won't be made until a further date.

I seem to remember there be a good bit of uproar over the Euro's schedule from ourselves after we played France 4 days after our last group game while France had a nice 7 day break.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:



The Rugby World Cup is one of the least competitive competitions going. When you have the elite nations doing everything to protect the status quo it will stay like that. By far the biggest story of the last world cup should have been Japan, a team who beat South Africa and should easily then have made the QF and possibly even further. Instead they were forced to play Scotland just a few days after the South Africa game effectively giving a walkover. So instead of being the story of the world cup, they were dumped out by a competition set up to protect the bigger teams.

Rugby has enough issues without such disgraceful systemic stuff going on (funnier still I remember well at the time of the World Cup that Japan's treatment got very little coverage). Imagine such a thing happened to Ireland in a World Cup group stage?


I agree the schedule for Rugby World Cup is terrible but having 5 teams in the one group is going to do that unfortunately one team is always going to be the odd one out and have to play two games in a short space of time, In this case Japan who were the bottom seeds in the group.

I believe it did get a good bit of coverage and is something World Rugby has vowed to change in the next World Cups, there is talk that the 2023 world cup will be expanded to 24 teams so that groups can be split into 6 groups of 4 but that decision won't be made until a further date.

I seem to remember there be a good bit of uproar over the Euro's schedule from ourselves after we played France 4 days after our last group game while France had a nice 7 day break.


I don't anyone can really complain about scheduling when you qualify as a third placed team. You take what you can get!
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I don't anyone can really complain about scheduling when you qualify as a third placed team. You take what you can get!
Exactly.
Yiz are shoite, yiz finished 3rd.
Do yiz want to play another game in 4 days or fcuk off home ?
 
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If the rest period was reversed and France had four days and we had seven, France would still have won. In the rugby example, most felt that Japan would have had a great chance of winning with a longer rest.
You can argue about the seedings, but that still smacks of rugby trying to keep the status quo, which was Hans' point in the first place.
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If the rest period was reversed and France had four days and we had seven, France would still have won.
Four hours.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

If the rest period was reversed and France had four days and we had seven, France would still have won. In the rugby example, most felt that Japan would have had a great chance of winning with a longer rest.
You can argue about the seedings, but that still smacks of rugby trying to keep the status quo, which was Hans' point in the first place.




Which I agreed with but as I pointed out World rugby have put their hands up and said they got this wrong and will revise it
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

If the rest period was reversed and France had four days and we had seven, France would still have won. In the rugby example, most felt that Japan would have had a great chance of winning with a longer rest.
You can argue about the seedings, but that still smacks of rugby trying to keep the status quo, which was Hans' point in the first place.




Which I agreed with but as I pointed out World rugby have put their hands up and said they got this wrong and will revise it
I'm not sure. They are ridiculously slow to change, which has held the sport's development back.
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And here comes the annual negative obsession with rugby.
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And here comes the annual negative obsession with rugby.

You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.
And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....
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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse<br>You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.<br>And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....[/QUOTE GB 1HughJarse
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And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....[/QUOTE wrote:


Switch off the TV. Simples.

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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse<br />You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.<br />And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....</td></tr></table><br /><div><br /></div><div>Switch off the TV. Simples.</div>[/QUOTE GB 1HughJarse
You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.
And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....


Switch off the TV. Simples.
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When I buy the paper the first 5 or 6 pages in the Sports Section are rugby related.
And the radio coverage as well.....Catt Mooper practically creaming himself about the upcoming friendlies.

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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse<br>You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.<br>And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....</td></tr></table> <div><br></div><div>Switch off the TV. Simples.</div>[/QUOTE GB 1HughJarse
You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.
And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....

Switch off the TV. Simples.
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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

And here comes the annual negative obsession with rugby.

You can’t blame people with all the hype and newspaper coverage about a bunch of friendlies.
And those Munster-All Black ads.....good grief....
As I have said before on this matter, the problem here isn't with rugby at all. It is with football. Football fans are annoyed that international friendly matches used to have a similar level of importance as international rugby tests. Some of the most talked about football  games in history, outside of World Cups at least, have been friendly matches. In The Telegraph and World Soccer's joint effort to the name the greatest football matches ever played, a friendly is ranked at number 10 amongst all the famous World Cup finals and semi-finals and the 'miracle of Istanbul' (Dead), England's defeat by Hungary at Wembley is still talked about, the so-called 'match of the century'.
We ourselves get snippy when England fans mention this as their first home defeat to a foreign side, something we had given them four years earlier. We also talk about, albeit not ad nauseum, about Brady's goal that beat Brazil. 
It isn't rugby's fault that they have retained the prestige in such matches.

In saying that, that Munster bollocks can f**k right off.
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