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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6875 |
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Cheers SD. It just seems a bit odd. Does that mean that there is a defence in cases where a fella is locked or off his head and he claims that "she was loving it" as far as he was aware?
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El Puto Amo
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daraghj82
Ronnie Whelan Joined: 26 Jun 2015 Location: Tipperary Status: Offline Points: 75 |
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victim and her friend are doing
remarkably well so far, it will be interesting to see how the boys cope if they
chose to take the stand, if they do I could see a few of them breaking down and
cracking under pressure … |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Nope. That's not an objectively reasonable belief. Intoxication is only a defence in very, very limited circumstances, not in the present case. |
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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SD does it have to be a unanimous verdict on rape and the other charges or would a majority verdict see them getting sent down?
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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JUICEBOMB
Liam Brady Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2104 |
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Jackson says he didn't have sex with her.....the victim says she was vaginaly raped.......her word against his(pending any medical evidence)to me it would seem the only person who can say that sex took place is the girl that stood at the door...she says she saw Jackson on his knees in a trusting motion toward the victim,when the girls that was at the door was asked if she could see jacksons penis inside the victim she's said no....does that not imply reasonable doubt???therefore their walking........
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hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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But will it be even heard in any testimony how intoxicated or otherwise Jackson and Olding were? They are not compellable witnesses. They almost certainly won't testify. It looks like Harrison is the only one likely to. I'm surprised we didn't hear anything from the cross examination of the witnesses at the house as to how drunk Jackson and Olding were. This is an important detail.
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t_rAndy
Robbie Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 26263 |
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What should be the decision if the lads knew she wasn't 'mad into' what she was doing but she wasn't really making it very clear that they should stop.
I'm even thinking with me own moth and giving her a bit of a grope when she's clearly not in the mood but that doesn't stop me going until she clearly tells you to "f**k off not tonight ". What's the line? I think based on what I've read there is a bit of a doubt . I'd be looking for legal guidance off the judge before determining Edited by t_rAndy - 16 Feb 2018 at 12:14am |
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alihau41
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different jurisdictions, but a couple of years back, there was an irish guy living in new York working as a bar man. he shared an apartment with a girl, not in a relation with her. he was out on a big night, got black out drunk, came back to the apartment and into her bed and raped her. he doesn't remember a thing of it. was convicted and did some time in rikers
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Roberto Baggio
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Was thinking that last week when they were grilling her on how drunk she was and how good her memory was of the night. What about the men's state of drunkenness and memory.
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bogball88
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alihau41
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medical evidence is next up in the Jackson/olding rape case
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Croftman
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Haven't read any updates on the case in the last few days, has much happened?
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Some people just deserve a slap
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Roberto Baggio
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Medical evidence was given yesterday. She had a vaginal tear of over 1cm, and a couple of bruises in various parts of her body. Doctor said there's no way of being able to tell whether the tear was through consensual sex or how old the bruises were. Also a bit of questioning as to why she never told the doctors that she was forced to give oral to Olding, but told the police this.
Its playing out to an inevitable conclusion. They will all walk.
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Roberto Baggio
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Another interesting point from yesterdays hearing was that the police were unable to retrieve Oldings clothes from his house when they went to it a day or two after
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Roberto Baggio
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A forensic scientist is now giving evidence. She says swabs taken from the complainant's vagina returned negative for semen.
Court hears Stuart Olding's semen was found on the woman's jeans. Mr. Olding is accused of forcing her to perform oral sex on him. He denies the charge and claims the sex act she performed on him was consensual. Court hears Stuart Olding's semen was also found on her underwear and the black top she was wearing on the night in question. A grey and white duvet cover taken from Paddy Jackson's home was also examined by this witness. She said blood staining was visible on it. She tells the jury it was tested and found to match the DNA profile of the complainant. |
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ShamtheRam
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Saw that. Weird one |
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25108 |
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Ireland in trouble here.
Awful miss by Sexton for the first penalty kick. Stockdale is some talent |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25108 |
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Spoke too soon
Great try. Good match. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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