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sid waddell
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A disastrous day for the defence. You really would wonder what reports some people are reading and their ability to comprehend testimony. It's pretty clear who's telling the truth and who's lying here.
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SimonCox
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Spot on. Clear as day who isnt telling the truth. You can't get a bigger lie than denying sexual intercourse with a woman, only for a witness to say she saw it happen. Even under heavy questioning, the complainant stood up to it all, and her story is consistent. Very impressive witness. All the lies are coming from the other side. What's surprising is not that people here don't understand the testimony, its that they are sympathising with these men, and see the poor girl as being the liar.. Jackson's evidence was disastrous. I expected he'd say he had consensual sex. But he denied any sex outright. Dead men walking.
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Hans Moleman
Roy Keane Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar Joined: 09 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 10199 |
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I do think that headlines such as RTEs today about 'Woman believed she witnessed threesome' play into all of that. Straight away people are thinking one way and one way only, and there's a serious bias when reading the statements made afterwards. Woeful stuff from our national broadcaster, but absolutely no surprise.
Agree totally about the victim. Extremely good witness. Has held up brilliantly in what could only be a horribly pressurised week of examination from numerous barristers. Today was a great day for her and the prosecution, no matter how headlines like RTEs try to spin otherwise. |
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Roberto Baggio
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Some good points Moleman. The headlines from yesterday splashed across the front of our morning papers read - Witness: I didn't see a rape, or I saw a threesome etc. The main story to come out of yesterday IMO is that Jackson lied to police by saying he didn't have sex with the girl. This is the real headline from yesterday's witness statements and questioning in court. Edited by Roberto Baggio - 14 Feb 2018 at 9:58am |
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Croftman
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Just 2 things on this Moleman: - Am I right in saying the witness said she saw one of Jackson's hands on her hip but couldn't see the other one: he said he digitally penetrated her which he could've been doing with his unseen hand - I don't think the witness said she could actually see him having sex with her? - About lying to the witness the next morning, surely that's common enough even if it was consensual? Hard to know who's telling the truth about it all but yer one is putting herself through some life changing hardship which you wouldn't think she'd be doing if it was a lie |
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Some people just deserve a slap
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Roberto Baggio
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The witness said Jackson was "on his knees behind her thrusting into her"
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reddladd
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Fair play to that girl for standing tall and not being phased by the defense barristers. It must feel like she is actually on trial.
Be interesting to see how her legal team go at the 3 boys. |
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I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
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pre Madonna
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In cases like those mentioned, there is little sympathy for the victim. There are usually comments of the " nudge,nudge" variety. It really is no wonder that so few rapes are even reported and never mind prosecuted. It really is as if her personality is on trial here. It shows how far we have to go. Great post above by Moleman which is what I can see from following the newspaper articles. The whole thing screams guilty, yet the paranoia some Irish football fans have about rugby and the Irish media appears to have some truth to it when you see the spin put on those headlines. .
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Roberto Baggio
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Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding's rape
trial has resumed before Belfast Crown Court. The prosecution has called the
taxi driver who brought the complainant home in the early hours of June 28th
2016. Taxi driver said he passed couple in
Ravenhill area of Belfast. He said woman looked upset. He said it seemed like
she was crying. He said the man who was with her seemed to be comforting her On the journey back to the woman's house,
the taxi driver said she "definitely seemed very upset". He said she
was crying/sobbing throughout. He said she didn't talk very much at all and the
man was attempting to comfort her He said the man was holding onto her and
her head was placed on his chest. He said the man either received or made a
phone call while in the taxi. He said the man seemed to be "talking in
code" He said he only heard snippets of the
conversation. He said it wasn't a fluid conversation. He said he remembered him
saying: "She's with me now. She's not good. I'll call you in the
morning". When the woman arrived at her destination,
the driver said she was unsteady on her feet when she got out of the taxi and
Mr. Harrison was holding her, He said he possibly had an arm around her and was
helping her towards the door of the house. As she was walking away from his taxi, the
driver said he noticed some staining on the back of her trousers around the
backside area. When Mr. Harrison got back into the car he
said he just said to him: "Rough night last night?" and Mr. Harrison
said something like "you've no idea" or "you could say
that" Under cross-examination by Rory Harrison's
barrister Gavin Duffy, the taxi driver was asked about the phone call his
client was on in the back of his cab after he dropped the complainant home. The driver said it was as if the
conversation was something he didn't want him to hear. He said he "certainly
wasn't speaking out loud" |
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horsebox
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Jackson denied having sex with her. However the victem went to the hospital and got checked out and she had a small tear in her vagina or something like that.
Would they have captured DNA since it was an alleged rape? |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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greenforever
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The taxi driver backs her story up
From all the evidence reported so far they have to be found guilty Its hard to see how a jury could not convict. |
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I know nothing :-)
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SimonCox
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She left that house a sobbing, stricken, bleeding mess, after being treated like a piece of meat by two rugby players, only getting away when a third one came into the room naked looking to get in on the action.
Her version has been confirmed by the taxi driver. Exposure man is a weak link for the defence. Hard to believe his version over hers, as she has been shown to be credible. Then there is Jackson who denies having sex with her. Lots of covering up being done by all of these guys. That covering up started in the taxi with Cover up man talking in code. |
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horsebox
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She voluntary took her clothes off. At no stage did she resist. An independent witness didn't believe she was raped. Jackson is clearly lying about having sex with her - why I don't know, as DNA evidence could prove 100% that he did. I'd put my mortgage on them walking myself. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Dalymount79
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Taxi driver the first witness whose recollection not clouded by alcohol too. Not good for the defence |
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SimonCox
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Jackson pulled her trousers off her down to the knees. At no stage did she consent. An independent witness said she didnt believe she was seeing rape, but when asked did the women show signs of positively consenting, she said "no". You dont know why Jackson is lying... its to cover up. The only person who has told the truth is the alleged victim. |
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Bob Hoskins
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Have only followed this case through this thread, but that taxi account is very strong.
He is completely independent of anything that happened that night
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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pre Madonna
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I don't think Jackson's mother could believe him at this stage.
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Roberto Baggio
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Anyone know the rough time between the girl walking in on them in the room, and the alleged victim getting up and leaving the house?
I presume this would have been told in court? The defences line is that it was a consensual threesome, with the girl walking in on them, the alleged victim then freaking out at thinking she took a photo of them and then turned on the tears and left the house in hysterics. I just wonder how long after the girl who walked in left the room did the alleged victim leave the house.
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