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I'd assume we likely said "stay another year and we'll let you leave next year".
It's inevitable if Barca come back in again in the summer
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How many other third seeds won their group btw? That's where Liverpool were last August. The allegedly easy group may have gone all the way to the wire in the end, but there's no prizes for qualifying early. You won't find many top seeds thrashed 7-0 away from home by the third seeds in that, or any football group for that matter.

At least Roy Keane has upgraded Liverpool from a side he would rather pull the curtains than watch, to admitting the football is now "lovely to watch". It's certainly a lot better than what he currently serves up.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

How many other third seeds won their group btw? That's where Liverpool were last August. The allegedly easy group may have gone all the way to the wire in the end, but there's no prizes for qualifying early. You won't find many top seeds thrashed 7-0 away from home by the third seeds in that, or any football group for that matter.

At least Roy Keane has upgraded Liverpool from a side he would rather pull the curtains than watch, to admitting the football is now "lovely to watch". It's certainly a lot better than what he currently serves up.



Yep, a top result for any european match last night. Spartak were pure muck, and were punished badly for showing a bad attitude. How on earth pool drew in moscow against this lot. You can take that 1st seed and 3rd seed propaganda sh*te elsewhere. Considering two of the main contenders in PSG and barca are 2nd seeds, the new format in all league winners being 1st seed renders your comment pointless. But sure, whatever you need to use to get off between this and trumpf
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Some of the goals the scored last night were unreal. Fair play to them winning the group but you'd be hoping to draw Basel and not Real, Juve or Munich
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Originally posted by lookatmetroll lookatmetroll wrote:

How many other third seeds won their group btw? That's where Liverpool were last August. The allegedly easy group may have gone all the way to the wire in the end, but there's no prizes for qualifying early. You won't find many top seeds thrashed 7-0 away from home by the third seeds in that, or any football group for that matter.

At least Roy Keane has upgraded Liverpool from a side he would rather pull the curtains than watch, to admitting the football is now "lovely to watch". It's certainly a lot better than what he currently serves up.


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Why can't Keane just say yep they played well, instead of making bitter, smart-arse answers every week?
Oh yea, maybe its to stay relevant.
 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Why can't Keane just say yep they played well, instead of making bitter, smart-arse answers every week?
Oh yea, maybe its to stay relevant.
 
 
 
probably more tongue-in-cheek than anything else. and that the quality of journalism nowadays an article has to be written about his comments
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Originally posted by alihau41 alihau41 wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

How many other third seeds won their group btw? That's where Liverpool were last August. The allegedly easy group may have gone all the way to the wire in the end, but there's no prizes for qualifying early. You won't find many top seeds thrashed 7-0 away from home by the third seeds in that, or any football group for that matter.

At least Roy Keane has upgraded Liverpool from a side he would rather pull the curtains than watch, to admitting the football is now "lovely to watch". It's certainly a lot better than what he currently serves up.



Yep, a top result for any european match last night. Spartak were pure muck, and were punished badly for showing a bad attitude. How on earth pool drew in moscow against this lot. You can take that 1st seed and 3rd seed propaganda sh*te elsewhere. Considering two of the main contenders in PSG and barca are 2nd seeds, the new format in all league winners being 1st seed renders your comment pointless. But sure, whatever you need to use to get off between this and trumpf
Still can't get over that, even more so after last night.  Mainly down to wastefulness in front of goal over in Moscow - Liverpool had enough chances to win 3 or 4 games that night. That awful bit of goalkeeping by Karius for their goal (into the middle of the net ffs LOL) should have been rendered irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Gavintheslob Gavintheslob wrote:

 

Even if they brought Messi and Suarez to anfield I still think coutinho would want to join Barca. It's what all the South Americans want.

If they manage to hold onto him next summer that will be a real statement of intent

True, but when Real, Barca and the Spanish league go through a phase of been weaker than the English clubs, they may not be so Robbie Keane on their dream moves
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by Gavintheslob Gavintheslob wrote:

 

Even if they brought Messi and Suarez to anfield I still think coutinho would want to join Barca. It's what all the South Americans want.

If they manage to hold onto him next summer that will be a real statement of intent

True, but when Real, Barca and the Spanish league go through a phase of been weaker than the English clubs, they may not be so Robbie Keane on their dream moves

When is this "phase" happening?
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Now, and the next number of years as the TV money they have is giving them a huge edge
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Originally posted by ConorMac77 ConorMac77 wrote:

Originally posted by alihau41 alihau41 wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

How many other third seeds won their group btw? That's where Liverpool were last August. The allegedly easy group may have gone all the way to the wire in the end, but there's no prizes for qualifying early. You won't find many top seeds thrashed 7-0 away from home by the third seeds in that, or any football group for that matter.

At least Roy Keane has upgraded Liverpool from a side he would rather pull the curtains than watch, to admitting the football is now "lovely to watch". It's certainly a lot better than what he currently serves up.



Yep, a top result for any european match last night. Spartak were pure muck, and were punished badly for showing a bad attitude. How on earth pool drew in moscow against this lot. You can take that 1st seed and 3rd seed propaganda sh*te elsewhere. Considering two of the main contenders in PSG and barca are 2nd seeds, the new format in all league winners being 1st seed renders your comment pointless. But sure, whatever you need to use to get off between this and trumpf
Still can't get over that, even more so after last night.  Mainly down to wastefulness in front of goal over in Moscow - Liverpool had enough chances to win 3 or 4 games that night. That awful bit of goalkeeping by Karius for their goal (into the middle of the net ffs LOL) should have been rendered irrelevant.

They definitely should have won that game but Sevilla went over there and got trounced so they're not the pub team some would have you believe. Fully accept CSKA are a stronger team but only a point ahead of Spartak.

To circle back to Ireland, Jano Ananidze can't get near this Spartak squad at the moment. He's the lad that made Whelan, Arter, Brady et al look like tree trumps in Tbilisi and Dublin while him and his three compatriots kept the ball for fun - funny how the soccer world works. 
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Now, and the next number of years as the TV money they have is giving them a huge edge

Barca and Madrid will always be massive teams with huge financial power.

They will always have that allure and history to attract the top top players. 

English clubs will never have that. They can match the pay but the top players want more!

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Now, and the next number of years as the TV money they have is giving them a huge edge

Barca and Madrid will always be massive teams with huge financial power.

They will always have that allure and history to attract the top top players. 

English clubs will never have that. They can match the pay but the top players want more!

Yup - can include Bayern in that too. Then there is PSG, where you would want enough TV money to buy a country to compete on costs. Those four + City are the top 5 favorites for the competition which doesn't exactly point to current English dominance. 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Still no where near delivering a league title. Very similar to spurs at the moment. Under achievers

You should read soccernomics for a good understanding how teams win leagues in modern football.

In the EPL ( Except for Leicester which was a 5,000 to 1 long shot), every team to win the EPL had the 1st or 2nd highest wage bill in the league.

Its similar across the top leagues in Europe.  Bayern, Real/Barca, Juve etc

The way to win the league now is to spend spend spend. Liverpool will not win the league unless they match the spend of the top 3

Apparently the EPL look like this

Man U  , Chelsea , Man City have a wage bill of approx  230M
Liverpool  and Arsenal  circa 190M
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De Bruyne, Pogba, Hazard staying, Aguero staying. These are some of the best players after Messi and Ronaldo 

Griezmann would have been in England but for the player embargo, Bale leaving for United sounds like another big deal going the other way soon, once the English clubs start winning the Champions League then more of the top level players will go there. 

Madrid and Barca, like Bayern will always be huge clubs, they'll just be second fiddle for a while


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Originally posted by Reildogg Reildogg wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Now, and the next number of years as the TV money they have is giving them a huge edge

Barca and Madrid will always be massive teams with huge financial power.

They will always have that allure and history to attract the top top players. 

English clubs will never have that. They can match the pay but the top players want more!

Yup - can include Bayern in that too. Then there is PSG, where you would want enough TV money to buy a country to compete on costs. Those four + City are the top 5 favorites for the competition which doesn't exactly point to current English dominance. 

The key word there is current, it's gonna be over the next few seasons, but it has started. 
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

De Bruyne, Pogba, Hazard staying, Aguero staying. These are some of the best players after Messi and Ronaldo 

Griezmann would have been in England but for the player embargo, Bale leaving for United sounds like another big deal going the other way soon, once the English clubs start winning the Champions League then more of the top level players will go there. 

Madrid and Barca, like Bayern will always be huge clubs, they'll just be second fiddle for a while



I'm not convinced Barcelona or Madrid were very interested in Pogba... 

Nor am I convinced Spanish clubs willing to spend around £140 million on Coutinho or £40 million on a 17 year old are set to play second fiddle to anyone. Same goes for a club that just invested about €400 million a new strike-force. Bayern's dominance in Germany will allow it to continue to put together the best of the Bundesliga and add to it with certain outstanding international players. 

City seem to be firing on all cylinders so can be included with the above four but I do not see any huge shift 'Now' or "coming soon". There might be an increase in the rate of winning the Champions League (over the 4 won in the last 33 competitions) but a prediction of wider English dominance seems unfounded. 

Increased TV money will mean WBA, Stoke et al will be able to spend more money than their equivalents in other countries but the top table will remain much the same. 

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