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I never understood the flak he got for Ireland on here and elsewhere online. He's never been top quality but has always been solid and possibly a little more for us now. After Paul McShane stopped playing for us with any regularity people needed a scapegoat I think to blame for the teams failings. If we have a bad month Sept, they will probably pick another player
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Nah thebronze, he was worse than woeful at times for us and the flak, whilst sometimes overly harsh, was due. 

In fairness to the lad, he has been one of our most consistent performers at both club and country level over the last 18-24 months. 

Just seems as though the left back position for him clicked.
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Nah thebronze, he was worse than woeful at times for us and the flak, whilst sometimes overly harsh, was due. 

In fairness to the lad, he has been one of our most consistent performers at both club and country level over the last 18-24 months. 

Just seems as though the left back position for him clicked.
true. His passing and crossjng in general is fairly awful. Thats just fact. His usual ball is the one down the line to no one in particular which a lot of the time runs out of play. Hes defo improved his all round game under dyche and good on him. Hes keeping that left spot in the PL and thats not to be sniffed at. We need all the top flight players we can get.
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Neither are "awful", that's just how our full backs are expected to play in the national team. Irrespective of who plays there, the standard ball is always a floated pass up the line. It's not how Ward has played at club level (where he's tended to be quite attack-minded), so it's clearly an instruction that comes from the Irish management.
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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

I never understood the flak he got for Ireland on here and elsewhere online. He's never been top quality but has always been solid and possibly a little more for us now. After Paul McShane stopped playing for us with any regularity people needed a scapegoat I think to blame for the teams failings. If we have a bad month Sept, they will probably pick another player

It's similar to when O'Shea was right back, he wasn't great and gave the ball away a lot. I think Ward deserved some of the criticism he got. But since before the Euro's Ward has been reliable. 
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

I never understood the flak he got for Ireland on here and elsewhere online. He's never been top quality but has always been solid and possibly a little more for us now. After Paul McShane stopped playing for us with any regularity people needed a scapegoat I think to blame for the teams failings. If we have a bad month Sept, they will probably pick another player

It's similar to when O'Shea was right back, he wasn't great and gave the ball away a lot. I think Ward deserved some of the criticism he got. But since before the Euro's Ward has been reliable. 
Was never a fan of O'Shea at right back. Contributed little despite playing for Man United at the time. Much better when he was used centrally
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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

I never understood the flak he got for Ireland on here and elsewhere online. He's never been top quality but has always been solid and possibly a little more for us now. After Paul McShane stopped playing for us with any regularity people needed a scapegoat I think to blame for the teams failings. If we have a bad month Sept, they will probably pick another player


It's similar to when O'Shea was right back, he wasn't great and gave the ball away a lot. I think Ward deserved some of the criticism he got. But since before the Euro's Ward has been reliable. 

Was never a fan of O'Shea at right back. Contributed little despite playing for Man United at the time. Much better when he was used centrally


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Back to his usual self the other night, when under the cosh his lack of technical ability, positioning, passing etc all shown up.

Spent most of the evening tucking in centrally Dead

For luck he had McClean tracking back!  

I don't know how many times it needs to be said but we need to put Brady at left back. 
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Back to his usual self the other night, when under the cosh his lack of technical ability, positioning, passing etc all shown up.

Spent most of the evening tucking in centrally Dead

For luck he had McClean tracking back!  

I don't know how many times it needs to be said but we need to put Brady at left back. 
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Brady is nothing but a left-winger. I think it is a straight choice between him and McClean and we are damaging the team overall by trying to force him into positions he can't play.
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Back to his usual self the other night, when under the cosh his lack of technical ability, positioning, passing etc all shown up.

Spent most of the evening tucking in centrally Dead

For luck he had McClean tracking back!  

I don't know how many times it needs to be said but we need to put Brady at left back. 
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Brady is nothing but a left-winger. I think it is a straight choice between him and McClean and we are damaging the team overall by trying to force him into positions he can't play.

In a modern day full back you want someone who will attack with purpose, has good control and distribution. 

Brady would offer a real threat going forward tomorrow evening. 

As would having McGeady on the right wing!

We need to go for the win tomorrow a draw is no good.
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Back to his usual self the other night, when under the cosh his lack of technical ability, positioning, passing etc all shown up.

Spent most of the evening tucking in centrally Dead

For luck he had McClean tracking back!  

I don't know how many times it needs to be said but we need to put Brady at left back. 
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Brady is nothing but a left-winger. I think it is a straight choice between him and McClean and we are damaging the team overall by trying to force him into positions he can't play.

In a modern day full back you want someone who will attack with purpose, has good control and distribution. 

Brady would offer a real threat going forward tomorrow evening. 

As would having McGeady on the right wing!

We need to go for the win tomorrow a draw is no good.
But he can't play there! He is being played everywhere except the one position he can actually play in. If he doesn't play left-wing then he shouldn't play at all.
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I agree . We not try McClean on the right and RB on the left or vice-versa ?
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Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

I agree . We not try McClean on the right and RB on the left or vice-versa ?

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Brady is playing well last 2 games for Burnley on the right. To be honest it wasnt just him the other night but the whole team were crap. I would start him on the right tomorrow night
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McClean is the player who should only be played on the left wing. He's pretty one-footed anyway, and is really only effective in that position. Robbie Brady is obviously versatile, and put in man-of-the match performance playing predominantly on the right against Spurs - which is where I'd play him against Serbia, with Hoolahan as the number 10.

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Andorra, where you know you're going to dominate and be under no real defensive pressure. He's just not a natural defender.
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