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horsebox
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If only we could revert back being mini Tans what?
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Roberto Baggio
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Death threats and online abuse are totally wrong.
The FA/PFA and English media's handling of them has also been wrong. McClean was silly to post a "joke" of himself wearing a balaclava, and for some other social media posts he's made in the past
Edited by Roberto Baggio - 16 Feb 2021 at 1:05pm |
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8365 |
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[/QUOTE] You can want a united Ireland and have no time for the RA. Having said that, people can say violence gets you nowhere, but that's just obviously untrue in relation to the North. The worst RA heads are those born post good Friday agreement or were in single age digits at the time.... and from the Republic. These lads are just cringy to be honest. Of course you can! Irish Republicaniam is a broader church than just the physical force element. Many pacifist Republicans from O'Connell to Sheehy-Skeffington to Hume all made huge contributions. In saying that, it's unlikely we'd have the freedoms we do know without the physical force element (which is where some of the complexities come into play). The Irish State was literally born out of revolution, we can't forget that. Even using terms like 'The RA' is problematic. When you say RA Heads, do you mean those who who are proud of men that served in the Provos during the trouble or those who were in the IRA from 1918-1923? Or both? Is it revisionist to eulagise one and condem the other?
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37334 |
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Have any non-Irish footballers come out in support of McClean?
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Banjaxed
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Not sure about that. Had the campaign not started post bloody Sunday, would we be sitting here with an anglo-irish agreement? Would we be sitting here with a Belfast agreement? The way history went brexit was probably always going happen. Northern Ireland never would have affected brexit as it's an English nationalism based ideal. A brexit without the good Friday agreement would have meant an even more hardening of a hard border that would have existed. United Ireland probably would have been a pipe dream at that point.
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Dunne Leery
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The people carrying out the threats will almost certianly be right wing brexiteers supporting a smallish probabaly non premier league club .Anti foreigner feelings in some parts of the UK have definitely been on the up post Brexit.
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Badgersboys9
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I take it the majority of people on here using quotes like above about "RA heads" didn't actually grow up in the North? It's quite insulting seeing people use quotes like this while defending what happened to James while sitting on their comfy wee couches outside the 6 counties.
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BrendanD88
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A few of his Stoke teammates have.
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Donegalman
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Meyler is a person who spends too much time on social media and posting about fifa but he’s absolutely spot on about this subject. He admitted himself and others were afraid to speak out in case they were targeted. At least he’s being honest and showing his support now even thought it’s late he had to consider the consequences for his own family. What more do you want him to do now? The second half of your post it is fairly embarrassing on your behalf and alot of members probably would use the second line of your own post to describe you after that post.
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Left foot
Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I think Doherty makes some good points here, we are never going to live in a world of 8 billion where there are no morons threatening people for some reason. There seems to be a drive to hold platforms responsible and avoiding the root cause of personal accountability. Blocking someone from making racist comments isn't solving the problem, just hiding it better. There was a black footballer recently that reported racial abuse on social media which is of course disgusting. The person who did it was a 12 year old... personally I don't know what we do about that, fine parents? Jail time? Ruin the stupid 12 year olds life by publicly shaming him?
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Badgersboys9
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Surely you hold the person responsible based on the situation and facts in hand? A 12yo boy should be held accountable but based on his age the punishment should reflect this, education on the matter for example. A grown adult should be held accountable to their actions to similar account. Criminal record, fine, jail time etc.
People rely on social media for income and cannot be asked to step away from it based on threatening behaviour of others who presume they wont be held accountable.
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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WTF is your point? Racism against Jews and particularly Asians is common among black people. Having been to South Korea and other Asian countries, the older ones literally spit at white people's feet and abuse you on the street. Does that then excuse institutional racism against black and Asian people? |
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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Don't throw a paddy.
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NewtNewbie
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After the George Nchenko event and the Ian Wright verdict, to name but two recent situations, I think it's safe to say Ireland still has some way to go before they can feel complacent enough to turn their ire upon, and criticise other nations, on the issue of racial equality.
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horsebox
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Looking at James IG account, it appears more and more people are coming out in support of him.
Some non Irish players too.
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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There's questions about Gardai incompetence in lots of cases, particularly when firearms are involved. This one happened to involve a black person. The same questions were asked when Mark Hennessy, man who kidnapped and murdered the Filipino girl, was shot in his car. The same questions should be asked as to how a senior guard was murdered with his own weapon by the man in Castlerea, Stephen Silver. It has, frankly, absolutely nothing to do with race, regardless of how some people are determined to make that so. Ian Wright was racially abused by a teenager in the arse end of nowhere in Kerry. Newsflash. There are racists in every country on earth and there always will be. Ian Wright himself mocked Roy Keane's accent in front of millions of TV viewers because he was too unintelligent and flustered to debate him on the points he was making. He also possesses rather antiquated views about the LGBT community and immigrants. We could be at this tit for tat stuff all day when it comes to people saying racist or bigoted things. The decade of abuse McClean has been subjected to is symptomatic of deeply entrenched views in English society when it comes to Irish people. And to the people excusing it because of McClean's republicanism, try reading a book about the Glenanne Gang, Robin Jackson, Robert Nairac, Lenny Murphy and how the MI5 colluded with terrorists to kill Catholics with no links to the IRA. I'm not from the north but I'm not going to patronise people who actually grew up there and/or had parents grow up there and remember the kind of murky sh*te that used to go on. Just because the people who abuse McClean refuse to acknowledge their own country's history, doesn't mean we should ignore what went on.
Edited by Hotlips_Hoolahan - 16 Feb 2021 at 4:42pm |
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Green Cockade
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I don't disagree but just one point of accuracy. Lenny Murphy was not a member of the Glenanne gang, which was a County Armagh based collection of mass murderers made up of elements from the UVF, RUC, UDR and British Army. Murphy, whom I have met, led the Shankill Butchers, a Belfast UVF gang that was also prolific and notorious for the abduction, prolonged torture and murder often by throat cutting of random Catholic/ nationalist victims, as well as quite a few Prods who got on the wrong side of them. The 1970s was the era of these episodes.
Edited by Green Cockade - 16 Feb 2021 at 5:30pm |
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Left foot
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Maybe if an Irish player scores today, that'll cheer us all up.
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