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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Also Rodgers is now widely disliked by Celtic supporters because he walked out
Rodgers challenged the board and lost - and was then vilified for not accepting that and leaving when a better job came up He was vilified for not doing what Lennon did Damned if you do, damned if you don't
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Trying to compare him to Smith, MON or McNeill shows you have little interest in this at all
This reply probably won't be seen, but can people not comment on this forum without contsantly throwing backhanded insults or making silly assumptions?
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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The Dubai debacle was the lowest point in a season full of them, I never in a million years would have said he wasn't vilified before that, nor did I.
McNeill may have been seen as a puppet in '87, it certainly isn't my take on it, but others may, but his sole purpose during that time wasn't to deliberately deflect from mismanagement of the club. The club was certainly being mismanaged and it was clear that McNeill was trying his best in difficult circumstances and he left in the right way. I don't think he spent the season making excuses, blaming players or giving press conferences that made himself out to be the greatest football manager the world has seen either. The PLC stuff certainly isn't an excuse, as can have been seen at every protest that has happened outside Celtic Park this season. The anger was directed at Desmond and Lawwell as much as Lennon. The reason the opinion of Lennon has changed is as much his compliance with them as the results. I also never said Rodgers wasn't vilified, nor would I ever in a million years say that, nor did I. It would be silly. It is now becoming clearer yhat why he left and when are down to the way the PLC ran Celtic and many Celtic supporters realise that now. If you want to think it is toys out of the pram stuff then fine. I can really only speak personally, but Dubai was the moment where the disconnect between the PLC and fans was irreconcilable. I think a lot of people are angry because of that disconnect, even if the anger is seemingly based on results. Like a lot of things in the world, people don't always put their finger on why they are angry at the start, so those that see they are angry, from a far away distance, assume it is the most obvious thing to them. As for the 'Brexity' stuff... I am afraid that's the sort of thing that leads people to stop taking you seriously.
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Territorial
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I have no "dog in the fight" as regards the job he was doing as manager. But I must say I was shocked by the level of vituperation against the man from Celtic fans, much of it personal, in recent weeks. Of course you can consider he's not up to the job and ask for him to be replaced etc, but surely it could be done in more measured tones? Instead we got people spitting out "disgrace", "shameful" and other epithets, plus the banners and demo's etc, which he surely didn't deserve. In that respect I can discern no difference in their manners and behaviour from that of their bluenosed neighbours across the city, none at all. (Fair play btw, to Southstandman for his post)
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coyne
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Celtic fans don't dislike Lenny, it's the fact he should of never gotten it the 2nd time round.
He was appointed permanently on the basis that they won the league when they already top by miles under Rodgers, and they won the cup when they were already in the final, if that's the criteria needed to be a Celtic manager then I cannot actually think of a Manager who would of failed in that scenario. Aside from the result against Lazio, which part of his 2nd reign will you remember? The part he got Celtic 15+ points behind Rangers. It was a bad bad appointment which should never of happened.
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Territorial
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You may be right. But if so, imo that says a hell of a sight more about the "fans" taking in the Welcome Mat and shutting the door in his face, than it does about him.
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tonyjaa
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Make no mistake, John Kennedy's job to lose
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Territorial
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So if with the benefit of hindsight, fans can now accept that there was more going on behind the scenes with Rodgers, might it not also emerge in years to come that NL is also as much sinned against as sinning? And that if Lawell was capable of manipulating so experienced a manager as BR, then how much harder will it have been for the less worldly-wise NL to deal with him?
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Jock
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It was no secret why Rodgers left, it was the way he left. A midnight flit on the eve of an important game, whilst almost clearing the full back room staff, is why he was vilified. This wasnt Lennon's first rodeo with Lawell, he knew what he was getting into when he agreed to join the second time. I do feel that some player unrest was partly responsible for this dire season. Hopefully this can be disclosed.
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Het-field
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It would have made absolute sense to have appointed one of the merry-go-round men from the PL, with the express brief to close out what BR started, and a healthy bonus at the end as a going away present.
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pre Madonna
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Lennon already worked with Lawwell and he isn't an idiot. He knew the score. It was only after Rodgers left and the emotion had settled, that it became clear that there were two sides to the story. It is pretty clear that Rodgers agreed to an NDA, why would Celtic want that?
I cannot see how anything that could come out now would make Lennon's tenure be seen any differently. His arrogance and belligerence towards the fans can't be changed, regardless of what he feels will come to light. It is definitely a strange time to be alive when a Norn Iron fan on an Irish football forum is making a derogatory comparison between Celtic and Rangers fans due to the abuse Lennon is getting from Celtic fans! Where on earth does that leave Norn Iron fans!? |
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coyne
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You can't defend Rodgers, he's a certified mercenary, a good one but still a mercenary.
Whenever a bigger club comes knocking than the one he's currently at he's off before you can Whatsapp him. You can argue his choices have been vindicated considering where Leicester are now but you just know if ever an elite European club came knocking he's back to old tricks.
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Territorial
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I can only speak for myself. I have sympathy for all that NL has had to endure, whether the abuse be coming from NI fans or Celtic fans. For while he has occasionally said or done things which weren't the wisest (who hasn't?), imo NONE of it justifies the hostility he's had to take, whether past or present. Beyond that I have no greater - or lesser - regard for Rangers than I have for Celtic.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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It isn't a defence of Rodgers as I never liked Rodgers as a man. He comes across as a creep! Leicester are only bigger in the sense that they have more money due to globalised nature of modern football, but I think how he left and why were as a result of the arguments he had with the board the previous summer. You can say what you want about Rodgers but he is a good coach and a supremely confident one. I am certain that he felt he could improve Celtic in Europe while remaining domestically dominant and then have moved on to bigger and richer pastures, or at least have waited until that summer. There's no one doubting that he will always come first to Brendan Rodgers, but the timing and manner, not mention the fact that he has always wanted to paint himself in a good light and didn't here, leads me to think there's more to it; especially in light of what has happened at Celtic since.
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horsebox
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He's no different to any other player, manager or person in the world! All players, managers, and people in general all a challenge and to play\manager at a higher level. Rodgers brought Celtic as far as he could and won everything along the way. I've no issue at all with him leaving for Leicester, it was the way he went about it. He should have just waited the extra few month, but he didn't and it tarnished his legacy Calling him a mercenary is a cheap shot to be fair.
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Territorial
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Clubs are quick enough to sack managers, so we can hardly be surprised when/if managers are equally quick to seize their chance in return. And we can see with hindsight that thanks to their owner, Leicester offered much greater potential to BR than other apparently comparable mid-table clubs in the PL. (He was never going to get offered a genuinely "big" club at that stage). So that if Leicester weren't prepared to wait until the end of season - v.likely imo - then Rodgers had to take his chance when he got it.
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